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Algerian Military plane with about 100 people onboard crashed near Boufarik airbase

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Algerian reports stated a military plane has crashed on Wednesday near Boufarik air base. (www.airlive.net) More...

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wopri
Latest reports talk about 257 casualties.
tyleremtage
Tyler Emtage 1
The website that you got this from says that there were 257 on board...where did you see 100?
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
The original report said 100, it was updated pretty rapidly.
tyleremtage
Tyler Emtage 1
When you think about it the Il-76 is a pretty big plane...maybe some of the passengers weren't sitting in seats.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 2
According to Wikipedia there had been plans for a double-decker passenger version of the IL-76. That would only have carried 250 passengers. On two decks...
djames225
djames225 1
The Il-76 is smaller than a C-17 and the C-17 can only carry 185-200 tightly fit..if there were 257 aboard an Il-76, and that is a big if, they were squashed into it.
djames225
djames225 1
The way the reports are, makes it seem like there was 257 souls aboard an Il-76? HTH do you stuff 257 souls aboard an Il-76??
It must include ground fatalities as well.
E1craZ4life
Edward Bardes 1
Would the cargo hold be big enough for passengers?
Cade2005
Cade Emtage 1
I agree but i guess we will find out more info soon......
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
According to news sources, there were no ground casualties. They did manage to pack 257 souls into that plane.
djames225
djames225 1
The wouldn't have packed, they would have had to squash..and even then that is pushing it.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 1
I would not be surprised if few of the passengers were seated and restrained properly. Maybe they just had everyone sit on the cargo floor and they slid back after rotation, shifting the CG.
djames225
djames225 1
According to a few reports, witness's saw fire from 1 of the engines..if a bird strike happened at same time as the shift you mentioned, yep down she could go...Im still holding my breath, thou, on 257 crammed into an Il-76.
Zaphod58
From what I've heard from people that have flown the Il-76, a simple engine failure on takeoff, being that loaded would have easily brought them down.
djames225
djames225 1
The weight of 257 people would not make them that loaded..fire from an engine, to me indicates a birdstrile on takeoff and, as Torsten pointed out, people probably shifted on rotation shifting CG.
Zaphod58
Fire only indicates that the engine failed. It could have failed for any reason, but those particular engines are known for uncontained failures without any help. As for the passengers, when you have 257 people on a plane designed for 140 or so, they're not going to shift enough to throw the CG off. The Il-76, in the takeoff and landing configuration simply doesn't fly well on three engines. On takeoff, they're slow, low, and heavy. That's a bad combination on an aircraft that doesn't fly well engine out.
djames225
djames225 1
Which engines?..No reports have come back whether it had the Soloviev's or Aviadvigatel's on it..also don't know where 140 came from but properly secured troops top out at 150..257 uncontained pax that shift position on rotation could skew the CG.
Anyhow we wont know the hows or whys until any reports surface.
Zaphod58
When you're carrying twice the number of people the aircraft is certified for, they're packed in so tightly that they couldn't move far enough to shift the CG. They're barely going to be able to move to scratch their noses, let alone move far enough that the CG shifts aft. You can't put double the passengers that an aircraft is rated to carry on board, and have enough room to move around, let alone enough room to move far enough to shift the CG.
Cade2005
Cade Emtage 1
Sorry the headline said 100, also, the page usually gets updated...
KenGordon
Ken Gordon 1
Everyone understands that in some places around the world, 16 people in a Mazda 3 is a necessity of life. Nothing unusual about the idea the airplane may have been packed full of people. Reports said "soldiers and their families" Many of the passengers were children or infants. Terrible tragedy, R.I.P. all.

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