Back to Squawk list
  • 13

FAA puts sleep apnea policy on hold

Submitted
The Federal Air Surgeon announced that the FAA will not move ahead with implementing its new sleep apnea policy in January. The policy would have required pilots with a body mass index (BMI) greater than 40 to be tested, and if needed, treated for obstructive sleep apnea. Instead, in the new year, the agency will open discussions with aviation industry stakeholders to find a way to balance pilots’ and the FAA’s concerns. (www.aopa.org) More...

Sort type: [Top] [Newest]


canuck44
canuck44 2
They should look at this now. For a pilot 5 foot 11 inches the upper limit to remain in the "normal" range is 176.8 pounds. For the same pilot to reach a BMI of 40 would require a weight gain of 110 pound to 286. This degree of severity removes any room for error based on body building etc. There is absolutely no doubt that an individual with a BMI of >40 is impaired.

[This poster has been suspended.]

abowland
Andy Bowland 1
FAR 117 effective January 4, 2014 changes the rest, duty, flight time, etc for all 121 carriers (100% of regionals are 121) for 2, 3 and 4 person crews. Including time zone change and base time zone vs acclimated time zone.

Also the air surgeon failed to follow the required procedures for changing a FAR.

THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I gotta agree there Phil, especially 135 duty, it's horrible with the double clocks!!!
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Cargo dogs do a lot of overnight flying. No rule making in the world will change that most air cargo needs to move overnight.

The possible need to improve 135, takes nothing away from the poor health of some aviators (both 121 and 135), that does lead to fatigue while flying, that does lead to early death, and that does lead to early disability.

Changes to work rules and schedules alone won't reverse the health consequences that aviators face on a daily basis. A pilot that doesn't die on the job increases aviation safety. But more importantly, a pilot that doesn't die early in the cockpit or at home in bed, is a pilot that gets to go work the next day, but also gets to go home to their family.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Work rules were just changed for regional carriers. These have work days with many legs per day which translates into a more intensive work load. These have many more landings and takeoffs, and much less time at cruising altitude with the automation flying the plane and giving the pilots a chance to relax.

The problem with long haul is the change in time zones and the overnight flying. There's no work rule change that will take away time zones or the need to fly overnight. (With flights flying halfway around the world, it is nighttime, either at point of origin or destination, at all times.)
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
The pause is good. It gives aviators whose health is out of control, time to get back into shape before the initiative is eventually launched.

Sleep specialists were likely going to be overwhelmed otherwise. There's more than one too many aviators with more than one too many pounds.

The beauty is that by trying to help aviation safety by trying to deal with sleep apnea, the side benefit is that many aviators will be more mindful of their own health, leading to less premature death and less premature disability among out aviators and their families.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
How about inducting more and more women pilots ?
Women are more health(weight) conscious than men ! For various reasons .
I really mean it.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
They should hire the best pilots whether men or women (irrespective of ratio between genders). You want the best pilot flying your plane, no matter if man or woman.

Then after you've hired all the best pilots, help them figure out how to stay healthy. Not only so they can continue to be productive workers, but go home to the family.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Given the opportunity, women can make better pilots. In quality and quantity.
I am not mocking.
Ironically, both go to extremes, to prove the other wrong !
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
A particular
one woman can be a better pilot than a particular one man. And I wouldn't be bothered in the least if i saw that the captain or first officer on a plane that I'm which inwas riding was a women.

But more men will make better pilots than women. There is already well documented studies that show that 'on average' women have better verbal, social and communication skills than men. In the same vane, studies that 'on average' men have better spatial perception issues.

Ideally I prefer a pilot that's good in both. Any man or woman can be good in either, both or none.

Over time, the gender ratio of pilots will evolve. As long as each pilot is talented, well-trained, competent, and proficient in their skills, I could care less about their gender.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
May be I am dilating. In most houses kitchen is domain of a woman, yet majority of Chefs are men. Similarly, clothing is dominated mostly by male designers.
But this proves nothing on gender based capabilities.
To my limited understanding flying needs cool headedness. And women can outperform men.
Another example closer home, India. Long ago teaching was dominated by male teachers at junior levels. Not so today. Why have men disappeared from teaching scene? Even at college level, ratio is fast changing in favour of women.
Armed forces ? The problem is not biochemistry based. But logistics based ! This is my half cent opinion. MHCO.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Don't know about India but in US and Europe woman and Perot ing netter at school, university and enrolling & graduating at higher rates at university and professional schools (doctors, lawyers, etc). Two of the few areas that have not gotten a major gender ratio shift are engineering and piloting. The reasons are many. Some can be social, like a liackin of role models. Some can be individual interest and abilities (whose perceptions can also be affected by the social factors). Certainly there are untapped individuals who would make great engineers and great pilots but never take the step to try either.

Those Individuals that can become great pilots (regardless of gender) should be given the chance to try. Those whose skill is poor with little promise to be great pilots (regardless of gender) shouldn't be hired or promoted at major airlines. These individuals shouldn't be moving revenue passengers in 3 dimensions. (Many of these are men. You don't need to the reports on air crashes like Asiana 214 to see that some men can be worse pilots than others men and women.)

My original point which seems lost on you is that individuals can be great at something despite their gender or socializations, and all efforts should be made to find the best individuals (despite gender). But that gender is a poor way to determine a person's skills and abilities. (Despite trends that are ascertained in aggregate.)

But that even when all little girls are given an equal chance at becoming pilots, they may not rush to do so for myriad reasons that may include disinterest and/or individual ability. The gender ratios may never equalize in piloting like it has in so many other professions.

But te new generations may surprise us. Younger generations tend to break stereotypes, and young girls are taking up video games and sports in much greater numbers tha. In the past. Maybe that'll result in better spatial skills and more lady pilots.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Socially, India is as backward as US ! In most ways.
Your point was never lost.
I was covering THAT part when you mentioned about gender based abilities.
I know that I am no authority on the subject.

[This poster has been suspended.]

THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Not to mention, who'd be making dinner
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Not wanting an obesity endorsement on their professional license is a powerful motivator. The initial notice before implementation was awfully short. If they give pilots a year or so notice, the pilots would have time to make positive changes before having to submit to obesity documentation and sleep apnea studies to be able to continue flying professionally.
flyboy97222
Jason Rhew 0
If the FAA is going to enforce this then the USDA needs to update and educate people on whats healthy to eat. What you put in your mouth is 99.9% of your health.

If you have a BMI issue and need to drop Lbs read a book called Paleo Solution Diet by Robb Wolfe.
I work out on average 3 time a month and have lost 35lbs in the last 3 months by just eating a paleo diet. I eat over 3500cal a day. Bacon (nitrate free) every day. My cholesterol is down and my BP is great I have an incredible amount of engr. oh and I look good.

It takes minimal effort and its crazy awesome
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
Bacon on the Paleo Diet? Sounds like Grain-O-Salt time.....
But if it's Halal, I guess it's ok....
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
It's a Kosher hog

Login

Don't have an account? Register now (free) for customized features, flight alerts, and more!
Did you know that FlightAware flight tracking is supported by advertising?
You can help us keep FlightAware free by allowing ads from FlightAware.com. We work hard to keep our advertising relevant and unobtrusive to create a great experience. It's quick and easy to whitelist ads on FlightAware or please consider our premium accounts.
Dismiss