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AirAsia QZ8501 crash report
Rudder problems and pilot response cited in investigation (www.theguardian.com) More...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
It's called "CRM"....Crew Resource Management". Sounds like the crew wasn't on the same page. I'm missing you Preacher1!
Even if Boss pilot screams at Slave pilot " PULL UP!!!!!" or "PUSH BACK!!!!" ( whatever) should not Slave pilot monitor what his inputs are doing to the plane? Basic flight training and experience (which was all i had) says if airspeed keeps going lower, Lower, LOWER!!! PUSH THE DAMN STICK FORWARD (STUPID). (And full power of course. Airbus has auto thrust which supposedly takes care of that for you) I only actually had situations where i did not push the stick fwd as speed dropped. Those were stall training exercises so my instructor did not actually call me stupid. But I'm sure i made him pee in his pants a few times with some of my weird landings!
No mater if the "computer" can run the systems on board the pilots still need to follow the number one rule. Fly the airplane. One needs training and the ability to understand the physics of flight. Without that you have a keyboard jockey in the pointy end.
This tragic human error would not have happened if the damn rudder would have worked properly. We can certainly find blame with the maintenance protocol that kept sending this plane aloft with an intermittent rudder travel limiter, BUT the real cause of this crash needs to be laid at the feet of the politicians who forced RoHS (Reduction of Hazardous Substances) on Europe. The fools voted the lead out of solder. The lead free solders are not as ductile and quite often crack because they are so much more brittle. This is not a problem if the 3rd brake light malfunctions on your Audi, but a rudder control system is another story.
RoHS and other moronic environmental laws resulting from a cult like congregation of junk science believers need to be throttled back to idle and magnetos turned off.
This tragic human error would not have happened if the damn rudder would have worked properly. We can certainly find blame with the maintenance protocol that kept sending this plane aloft with an intermittent rudder travel limiter, BUT the real cause of this crash needs to be laid at the feet of the politicians who forced RoHS (Reduction of Hazardous Substances) on Europe. The fools voted the lead out of solder. The lead free solders are not as ductile and quite often crack because they are so much more brittle. This is not a problem if the 3rd brake light malfunctions on your Audi, but a rudder control system is another story.
RoHS and other moronic environmental laws resulting from a cult like congregation of junk science believers need to be throttled back to idle and magnetos turned off.
The rudder system had failed OVER 20 times before and nothing positive was done to fix it? Maybe it is time they took the lead (the metal) out of those maintenance guys as well.
You pretty much summed up the "For the want of a nail ... the war was lost." story with that one Ric. The bottom line though is this was an error chain accident that could have been prevented at several different links in the chain. Its sad though, like so many crews, most foreign and some domestic, this crew was an accident looking to happen someplace when the first link broke.
Good points. I find disturbing that the crew lacked training in upset recovery due to the Airbus idea it is unnecessary because basically the computer won't let it happen.