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TSA changes rules for who must go through body scanner

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The Transportation Security Administration can now mandate some passengers go through a body scanner even if the travelers ask to opt out and get a full body pat down instead. Mandated screening for some passengers would be "warranted by security considerations in order to safeguard transportation security," the TSA said in a document updating the protocol. The change is coming at a time of heightened concern about aviation security and terror plots against commercial aviation. (www.cnn.com) More...

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scott8733
scott8733 6
At this time, I'm less concerned about weapons than explosive materials. Seems to me that trained dogs would be a better solution. Cockpit doors are secured now, and I haven't been on a flight in the last 10 years that hasn't been jam packed.
raleedy
ALLAN LEEDY 8
Lonely travelers can still get the full pat-down on request, even if they are subject to mandatory scanning.
BrianLuznak
Brian Luznak 1
HAHAHAHAHA
Learjetsales
TSA: Yet another Bullshit Gov't entity chock full of corruption and a bloated budget.
avihais
Not all airports have body scanners so it a lost cause. Going through France, Germany, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, New Zealand standard walk through scanners and wands.
jkcooney
Joseph Cooney 3
I like the idea of on the spot profiling suggested by rmchambers. Certainly a greater chance that a human could detect unusual behavior than a techno screen.
danpegla
Dan Whelchel 5
It is all security theatre. When I fly on the airlines, I just smile and say thanks for the job security, as I am a corporate pilot and the folks I fly around have decided long ago to not put up with the BS. I wish they had more dogs working for the TSA and Customs and less idiots.
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Oh c'mon Dan, we are talking about the same government agency aren't we? Just retired from 35 yrs. of doing what you are doing. Been there, done that. Loved it.The continued deterioration of the functionality of the federal govt. is on an epic slide. I gave up expecting they would get better a long time ago. I gave up wishing IT would get better not that long ago, and the next election cycle will determine whether or not I will continue trudging to the voting booth!
danpegla
Dan Whelchel 1
Bentwing, we are on the same page. Agree with what you are saying about the next election. After 42 years, 7 military and the rest corporate, I've seen a few changes. Still love it. May do that retirement thing in the future. Stay safe!
bentwing60
bentwing60 0
Thank you for your service! And Ditto on the stay safe.
rmchambers
rmchambers 6
It's all security theater. The TSA has caught zero terrorists, they've caught a few people smuggling some weed, they've also caught MANY of their own agents stealing travelers goods and property. Was it not for a federal boondoggle these people would be trying to get $15/hour working at McDonalds.

The chances of another 9/11 are slim, people won't sit still and comply anymore as evidenced by the last two times someone got up in front of the plane. One was dogpiled and wound up dying due to asphyxiation and the other got tuned up and when he became conscious he was ziptied to his seat. There have probably been many more but the point is people will NOT comply with someone who is going to send them all to a fiery grave.

The TSA PRE thing is a joke, people are much better off going through standard metal detectors, and if they hired some actual behavioral specialists who could randomly pick people out and run them through a few questions to judge responses (like El Al does) it would more likely catch anything that needed to be. Going through the rape-scanners which are inherently buggy and can be fooled (look at the kid who made clothing that could conceal metal objects as long as it was held away from the body) so it's not real security it's a show.

I avoid flying commercially unless it's absolutely unavoidable, it's no fun anymore.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
Very true. No one will try anything again in the cabin because of what the passenger response will be. If us trustworthy Americans would be allowed our second amendment rights, instead of just the bad guys, all modes of travel would be much safer. Any future attack on commercial jets now, barring missiles, will be through loop-holes or insiders in the checked cargo area.
rmchambers
rmchambers 1
I agree with you there, but until your 2nd amendment right ceases to exist at the nearest imaginary state boundary line this is not an option that won't wind up with people in jail. Folks that have pistol permits and such have already gone through state and federal background checks and safety classes and such. CWP holders are statistically less likely than sworn law enforcement to commit crimes with firearms. I don't forsee this happening in my lifetime but it's a topic worthy of discussion.
loveaviation
loveaviation 2
I work for TSA and I can't disclose any specifics but I can say that as of today very little has changed in regard to the opt outs. CNN totally is making it seem like it was a 180 degree change. It is not. It only affects certain people in specific situations.
poatis
poatis 3
This 'procedure' is just more of the same 'eye candy' for the uneducated traveler...this has been the case since day one - spending billions of dollars to make the public feel better about how well they are protected....meanwhile the TSA flunks test after test of agents who allow all sorts of people and dangerous items through....because in our "PC" world, they refuse to employ the tactics of the Israelis, that involve profiling and behavioral analysis...
pr0ject
El Kabong 3
This is a direct result of the complete incompetency that is the TSA.
richardtarr
Richard Tarr 1
Not sure it will help while you have airports in USA like la guardia who do not segregate incoming passengers from outgoing passengers something not allowed in uk .
dmanuel
dmanuel 1
I see accounts in the media about TSA security considerations detecting weapons, but does any one know if there has been any proof that they have averted a hijack situation with the confiscations?
loveaviation
loveaviation 1
I work for TSA and here is a partial email all TSA employees received at the end of December about 2015 being a successful year.

"This year, our frontline workforce screened more than 695 million passengers, 1.5 billion carry-on bags, 450 million checked bags, and 12.9 million airport employees. Our officers prevented 119,000 prohibited items from getting onto airplanes, including 2,500 guns (an average of 6 guns in carry-on bags per day)."

By the way, prohibited items in this case are weapon like items (knives, bats, any kind of item that is on the prohibited list on TSA.GOV site. They are not talking about your over sized liquids, gels and aerosols.

There are new screening procedures that involve certain people who alarm in a certain way in a body scanner. NO ONE at TSA have told me or anyone else that people can no longer opt out from being body scanned. Media is blowing this out of reality.
avihais
It not the TSA people that are getting the hassle as you are just doing what your are employed to do. It the governmental issues.
m4design
Andre Page 1
Last time I opted out, they made me stand right next the machine! to wait a looong time. ;-/
dnorthern
dnorthern 1
A form of punishment. You didn't behave like the compliant citizen they want, so you paid a price

Has happened to me as well.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
Actually it is at least 4 times faster than the old pat down which is stil available to people with medical implanted devices.
jpcooper
Peter Cooper -2
I don't care whether I get body-scanned, a full pat down, sniffed all over by a rather large dog or had a magic wand waved all over me. It's being done for my safety and those other souls who are on the same plane as me. If it stops anyone who is a member of " The Religion of Peace" or similar ilk from bringing weapons or explosives onto the aircraft, I'm all for it. Rather a few seconds of inconvenience than a 40,000 foot fall, strapped into a seat and no parachute in sight.
ethanstmartin
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
BurntOut
BurntOut 2
Ah yes - the English vocabulary really captures the sentiment better than the modern American. Thx.
colindcon1
Ethan: Trite plagiarism!
VKSheridan
VKSheridan -6
@Ethan - The "essential liberty" that you speak of is being a bit dramatic. Do you proclaim the same indignation when a red traffic light restricts your ability to freely travel your route? Is your liberty lost when you must refrain from driving while drunk to protect the innocent? Refuse the body scanner when mandated and "protect" your freedom to walk to your destination as you won't be flying commercial.......
dnorthern
dnorthern 2
VK. Your argument is simplistic. Not to mention entirely incorrect. Neither of your argumentative statements represent examples of unreasonable search

You make the perfect little subject, frankly.
brianacq
Therein lies the rub. Despite all the constitutionally dubious "security" procedures we all have to endure, I for one have yet to hear of a single instance where some terrorist made it to the airport and was prevented from boarding a plane and thus from doing whatever they were planning, solely by TSA security procedures. What I have heard of is nutjobs walking into airports and opening fire on all the sitting ducks in the security line. Even worse, I hear from time to time about some TSA agent doing things to the traveling public that nobody should ever do, least of all someone who's job is to ensure the safety of the flying public. If the public knew the process actually did some good, and if TSA agents were consistently kept in line by their superiors, it would make all these indignities easier to tolerate
Dubslow
Bill Winslow 7
You call blatant disregard for the constitution and civil rights "a few seconds of inconvenience"?

It's more accurately described as dancing on the graves of the founding fathers.
BurntOut
BurntOut 7
I remember being subjected to these kinds of searches and examination of travel documents in the early 80's and politicians in this country (USA) called it a "shameful" and "unwarranted". The Russians on their side of the East Berlin border called it "preserving state security." Ronnie the Popular got his wish - the Berlin Wall was torn down and moved over here.

What was it Ben Franklin said: They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
There is no question why personal aircraft, fractional operators, charters, and bizjets are increasing in droves.

Any captain that outsources their ultimate authority for the safe operation of their aircraft to the joke that is TSA is derelict of duty and I wouldn't fly for any operator that forced me to. When it comes to the safety of any aircraft, profiling is the only procedure proven to work effectively and should not be opposed by anyone that honestly desires safety.
BurntOut
BurntOut 3
Anytime you make a decision based upon past data you are 'profiling." When you decide which HVAC company you will have service your home AC unit based upon past data - you are profiling. When the decision is based solely on randomness are you NOT profiling. Humans profile themselves all the time: Republican, engineer, nurse, teenager, and so on. All the info on your driver license profiles you. Even when you are dead you have profiled yourself as "no longer living." Profiling is only an obscene word when used in the 2nd or 3rd person and directed at you.
bbabis
Bill Babis 3
You are confused between profiling and classifying. If you fit a profile, you may very well not be what is being profiled for. If you commit an act of terror, then you are classified as a terrorist.
BurntOut
BurntOut 2
It's an irregularly conjugated verb: I classify, you profile, he discriminates. :-)
ReverendLee
Scott Lee 1
Wow. You "personal freedom" guys don't get it, do you? When you purchase an airline ticket, you enter into a contract with a private entity, not the government. As a condition of that contract, the airline mandates that the TSA checks be performed (Even though the government has told them they have to do it) before you are allowed to use their service. You agree to those terms when you pay for your ticket. if you want to back out of the deal, you can. Just return the ticket.

You know the terms going in, and knowing those terms you complain about having to follow the rules. That's like kicking a field goal and then complaining that it's only worth 3 points. Don't like it? Score a touchdown or punt or go for it on 4th down.

Personally, I don't enjoy the hassles and the indignity. But you know what? I knew it was coming. If I wasn't willing to put up with it, I would have found a different way to travel. I have nothing to worry about from the TSA because I don't do bad things. I submit because I want to ride on an airplane. I could travel by car, bus, train, boat, whatever, and avoid the TSA if I thought the scans and searches were too invasive. I don't, because I don't.

And don't get me started on Jim Bob and his .45 Auto in a confined space full of tired, sweaty, irritable, drunk people. Jim Bob ties one on in coach and the next thing you know we're headed for an emergency landing at KBFE because the idiot shot out a window.
avihais
Considering I have recently been Paris, Frankfurt, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand and none of them had a body scanner. Just the standard items in the tray and baggage through x-ray, walk through detector wand and only one pat down in Fankfurt because German could not read a doctors note.

So it seems the US TSA is heavily spending tax dollars and other countries are doing whats actually necessary
avihais
Oops I lie - Malaysia had finger scanners.
dnorthern
dnorthern 2
You miss the point. By a wide margin. The government, not a private entity, via tsa is conducting the searches

BTW, that old canard " I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to worry about..." Is the constant refrain of aquiesence made by a subject. (And yes, you did say that in effect).

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dnorthern
dnorthern 12
Seriously!?! Does she ride in a car where the probability of death is exponentially higher?
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 0
i think that is wrong. But hey, I fly a single engine airplane. I don't live by statics.
mfbollo
9/11 was certainly not perpretated by any jews!

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JcHc3in1
Andrew Wilson 1
No, I just happen to be a white American with red hair that believes the U.S. Constitution applies to EVERYBODY equally in this country. That's as American as an individual can be.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Thanks for your service. BTW, are you the one who almost flew your F4 thru my rotor blades over the a shau? Lol
30west
30west 1
Thank you both for your service!
honzanl
honza nl -2
yes, and those 28.000 gun-related deaths in the US each year are all muslims too?
30west
30west 2
sarcasm alert!! You forgot to mention the tens of thousands of traffic deaths each year in the U.S.

You are trying to deflect attention away and toward another topic.

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stevencercy
stevencercy 12
I have frequented and largely enjoyed this site and member posts for some time now--the level of discourse is intelligent and respectful. Maybe because I am not a pilot or otherwise in the industry, I have not yet been compelled to post any replies, but yours, sir, demands one. For you to perpetuate an outrageous claim of Jewish responsibility for the 9/11 attacks is a disgraceful expression of the most base form of antisemitism there is. And the claim that it was all a conspiracy to create the dreadful security measures we now have in place for financial gain is exactly the kind of muddle-headed paranoia that needs to be shouted down, and I am doing it. On Christmas day no less.

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stevencercy
stevencercy 5
I read it. Carefully. The rubbish is yours only. Period.
Airthy
James Derry 6
Not worth the effort to down vote. Off your mess again?
Airthy
James Derry 5
MEDS!!! Damn spelling correction!
VKSheridan
VKSheridan 4
Zionist Jews did all the damage and every affected country in the world conspired to blame nut jobs so they could sell body scanners? What you're smoking isn't legal, even in Colorado. Go back to your Jew hating conspiracy websites where your bigoted ignorance is embraced.

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rickdschmidt
Rick Schmidt 5
Anyone with anything of importance to say can say it without swearing. Swearing like you have indicates a small vocabulary which equals a small mind
warmwynds
warmwynds 1
Well said.............where is the evidence of any planes crashes on that day?
rickdschmidt
Rick Schmidt 1
In New York , Washington, and Pennsylvania.
avihais
Martin Haisman -3
Thank you someone is thinking.
rickdschmidt
Rick Schmidt 1
No you have it all wrong it was the great spaghetti monster. He has a greater following
avihais
OK I admit I was wrong yes its the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
RadBaron
RadBaron 1
ramen!

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