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Malaysia Airlines: No more infants in 1st class on jumbo jets

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Malaysia Airlines has banned babies in the first-class sections of its Boeing 747-400 jets. It also plans to do the same in its yet-to-be-delivered Airbus A380 superjumbo jets, according to the Australian Business Traveller. The publication reports Malaysia Airlines CEO Tengku Azmil says the carrier is responding to complaints from first-class passengers about crying infants. Azmil, who conducted a back-and-forth with an Australian Business Traveller reporter via Twitter, says the first-class… (travel.usatoday.com) More...

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where2sir
Jeff Grana 0
In a perfect world, there would be an airline dedicated to people with babies and toddlers. Nothing annoys me more than having to deal with a screaming baby for two or three hours on a flight.
Darrens
Sadly even though I hate the screaming of a child that wont be comforted also, I try to remember that I too was once a baby and that my mom had to travel with me in arms also. We simply can't be so concerned about our own exalted comfort that we forget we aren't the only ones that paid for a ticket, and that those parents need to travel isn't trumped by someone else's desire to exist in a child free world, that the poor baby has no other way to communicate need or discomfort and lastly......we TOO were once one of those crying bundles of joy.
where2sir
Jeff Grana 0
That may be true, but nobody spends ten grand on a ticket to Europe so that they can deal with crying babies. People spend the extra money to be comfortable and peaceful on the flight, not to be seated in the travelling daycare section.

I understand what you're saying and I agree on some level, but my Mom always told me that she wouldn't travel with me when I was a kid until I could behave--I wish the same would apply to everyone else.
skylloyd
skylloyd 0
It's the way it is in this world,simply no consideration for other people, if I have to put up with it, so will you type of mentality.
It's the same for restaurants, or anywhere people are gathered, especially when you are trapped in an A/C at 35,000 ft.
alistairm
alistairm 0
I am on the fence with this one. I have traveled from Montreal to Manila a few times and recently took my 3 year old (now 4) daughter. On the way to Hong Kong from Toronto, she did act up about half way through the 15 hour flight. Now, i did end up holing myself and my daughter up in the head for about 45 minutes, until she calmed down - it was her first time on a plane and she was holding her pee, hence the discomfort that made her act up.Yes, i took into consideration the other passengers. This type of thing is not only bothers other passengers, but it does bother the parents to - i am 6 feet 4 inches tall, 260 pounds and i felt like i was 2 inches tall as everyone was glancing at me. Everyone has a right to fly, even kids and infants, in any seating class they are able to afford. I understand that people pay 3-4 times as much to fly first class, but does that really give them the right to be exempt from a crying baby? Does it actually state that on their ticket? I don't think so. I can handle a crying baby. What i can't stand is obnoxious adult passengers! You know, the kind that put their feet up between the seat on YOUR arm rest, or constantly kicking the back of YOUR seat, or the ones who always grab the back of YOUR seat and yank it backwards when they get up, or the ones that recline their seat and keep it reclined until a steward(ess) tells them to put it in the upright position, or the one that shout out, "we are going to crash!", even before we take off, or the ones who bring in so much carry on that they take up more room then they should, or the ones who try to run you over because they have to get off the plane before the other 350 odd passengers... should i go on?? If i can kick off all the idiot adult passengers off my next flight (i would probably be left by myself on the flight) and fly with a crying baby, i would take the crying baby any day.
Darrens
Well said Alistair!
Fleagle
Fleagle 0
Well said,Grana. Just so.
1st Class 'should be' Restricted to well-behaved children; no infants and toddlers.
Unbelievable.1st Class is for reflection,relaxation and a Luxurious,
memorable evolution for Those that've achieved this distinct affordable status.There used to be "unwritten protocols"for Air Travel.
Perhaps there'll be an Airline that caters exclusively to Families with small people so that,once Cruise Altitude is established,they can all walk around and praise each others children and infants;discuss and compare.
The Flight Attendants would be remunerated with handsome pay packages,and perhaps the female Flt.attendants that are expecting would be allowed to work into their Trimester.Nothing more to say about this.
Good Show,MALAYSIA!
pnschi
pnschi 0
It's better if the brats are in coach. That way if they act up, the flight attendants will be more likely to threaten them with arrest when they land.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 0
I wish them success and that in the future children up to age 9 be restricted to certain days of the week so people depend on the sleep time on long hauls can rest.
jicaro
Well I guess the saying on Mayasia is not true no more
"If you got the Money, and have a little kid YOU WONT FLY in front"
I've been blessed w/ both my children, that are not so small anymore never gave me problems in any A/C, but the screaming from others can get anoying, but at the same time we were all lil ones too.
I've found w/many that to give the toddler something to drink [bottle], or to chew in the bigger ones on climbing and descent, reduces disconfort [ears], and most people are happy, maybe this airline can make a study, and if it works, again everyone would be happy. and since they are in 1st, well at crusing the airlines could have destractions for them, in the long run it would still end up cost effective< IMHO
Bogush
Bogush 0
kids are kids and we all were once, even as grown ups do we not act up, less maybe on planes but our highways are full of yahoos that should not be driving even a camel and yet we allow them to do just that, what than is demo__cracy, what is it for ? for all of us or for some of us, when that parent travels with a child has he/she not paid a ticket ? what about all those texters - they really annoy me and I would sooner put them on a wing than have them sit next to me, I would rather a baby sitting next to me than a texter........
pdixonj
pdixonj 0
The issue isn't with young kids on planes, but with young kids in the first/business class section on planes. Those who pay to sit 'up front' are paying for a higher level of service and "comfort". Screaming or unruly children goes against that. Yes, I was a child once, and I'm sure I screamed and cried and yelled just like most other children, but my parents had the good sense not to take me on a flight until I was old enough to be 'expected' to behave in a calm and quiet manner...and even then we flew in coach, not first class.

It's just inconsiderate to expect others to put up with your not so well-behaved children in a section of the cabin where people have spent hundreds and even thousands more, with the expectation that their travel experience will be calm and relaxing. And lets face it, not everyone likes kids, and some of these people actually spend the extra money for premium seating just so they won't have to be seated near them. I'm not saying that people with kids should be relegated to their own flights, but they should at least be allowed to only sit in the coach section.
Bogush
Bogush 0
as I said before - our definition of democracy is being redefined...only coach - so what you are saying that everyone who does not conform to your way/standard ( or someone who is at the top) should be sitting in coach. I once was flying from Hong Kong to Dhakka, Bangladesh in first class - the guy next to me was smoking Gitanes and passing gaz with a grin on his face - 13 hours later I felt like a smoked salmon, He paid for first class as I did............
superoxide
superoxide 0
infants and children should be banned from everything except their homes and daycares, society would be infinitely bettered
Bogush
Bogush 0
Jean Francois you must be a leading citizen in your neighborhood, the kids must love you - or does any one
flights2008
Yes, Pren Junior, right on and well-said. If one pays for a quality flying experience, they should get what they paid for.
Unfortunately, others' points about unruly adult passengers are valid also, and what to do about such inconsiderate adult passengers that can afford premium seating..?
Happily, those in first class and business class have behaved pretty well, thus far in my experience. But there are no guarantees, and we take our chances in all social situations...but being held captive in such a claustrophobic environment makes dealing with difficult folks that much worse...any thoughts regarding such misbehaving adult passengers?
jicaro
Jean-Francois Carignan [superoxide]

WOW bud, like Boguslaw Wysocki said is right, everyone must love you, and I can imagine kids getting the Police, Army, and SWAT called on them if they put 1 little foot on your yard if you have one, I wonder if they call you the Scrouge, Mr. Model Citizen
superoxide
superoxide 0
i never said i was a model citizen :P

just trolling to see how many of you take the bait, seems like it worked pretty well lol
jicaro
Superoxide:

What you say maybe true, but one thinh I've learned during the years, and that is that if you say it, you think it, so not to sure about your trolling thing, but if true???, that was funny
superoxide
superoxide 0
detectives put themselves in the minds of criminals all the time, you're saying they are all criminals as well for thinking like they do? lol
jicaro
Not really> more complex than that
But as I said good one just the same> LOL
bodei
bodei 0
I have traveled with my, now, two year old since he was three months old and have a second on the way. We both have the status for upgrades, and he has been in his own seat since about one year. I have received so many positive comments from passengers as we deplane about his behavior. Does everyone expect children to misbehave these days? I believe a simple answer is to have flight attendants warn parents of children who are any age that if they do not control their child, they will not be welcome in an elevated class of service in the future. The airline then just needs to track these people on a list. You get one chance, then if you cannot parent correctly...well your own fault.
alistairm
alistairm 0
Crystal, that is a pretty good idea for parents who do not attempt to control their kids. Though, you can not always stop a child from crying if they are teething, have fever, etc. But for kids who just run wild and parents who do nothing to stop it, yes, i agree: don't let them fly again. Never mind first class or business class, i don't think anyone needs to put up with parents who are unwilling to do anything about loud or unruly kids. Let's not treat first class like it is some utopian place. the people who sit there have money to spend, that is it. Their muck still smells like mine, they still bleed red, they still age and die like me and they are still flying in the same damn aircraft as me! You want your self-made utopia with no kids, hire your own private jet!!
Bogush
Bogush 0
Jean Francois - a tu peur do ton identite - que tu a changer ton nom - you are a model citizen and scared like hell that someone in this forum might recognize you and you are as you said a big bebe
superoxide
superoxide 0
Boguslaw Wysocki - are you a fat no-life Polish computer-freak loser? Get over it; you got trolled. Stop taking life so seriously!!

I have no association to this forum other than trolling people like you who just won't let go lol keep taking it so seriously, I might just create a few other accounts to nab you another time because it's so funny to have you baited for so long :P

PS: si tu veux écrire en français, fait le comme du monde, ça parait que ce n'est pas ta première langue juste à voir la façon dont tu écris: ya plein de fautes d'ortographe XD
pdixonj
pdixonj 0
Neil...usually when an adult acts up and other passengers complain about it, that person gets a warning from the cabin crew to behave...if they keep behaving badly then that person gets put off the flight. You hear all the time about flights having to divert because of the need to kick off an unruly adult(s). That's how that situation is handled...adult passengers are expected to behave in a civilized manner, if they don't the captain lands, boots the person off...and the flight continues on. That's that.

That doesn't work so well with a child, since a child is expected to behave as such. They don't always stay in their seats, or keep quiet. It's just not reasonable to expect children to always be well-behaved, but they at least shouldn't be sitting in first/business. People who fly coach are aware that there's a good chance they'll be sitting next to or near a family with small kids, and they'll willing to accept that just as long as the parents aren't allowing the kids to run a muck. Those who pay to sit up front are, in part, paying to avoid small children altogether.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
Unless they are travelling to a clinic to have a life saving procedure performed, babies don't need to fly, period. There is no place that babies have to go or must go. Babies fly solely for the convenience of the parent/s. That's it! Sadly, we as a society have become so accustomed and EXPECTANT of the "all about me universe" that we're all too ready to overlook and forgive the rude and selfish behavior of others - usually because we have every intention of engaging in similar self-serving behavior ourselve - while of course, at the expense and inconvenience of others. I want what I want. Screw you....
keiththarris
Keith Harris 0
I fly a lot and just got of a flight from Mumbai to New York and was sitting in Continental biz/first section. A poor couple were struggling with a baby who cried from time to time. It was very clear they were doing all that they could to calm the infant but some folks in my section did the glaring thing and tut tutted etc, but I guess the infant didn’t see them as he/she just carried on. The couple were sat in coach but the noise resonated. As a parent my heart went out to them because when I was transferred I had to uproot my family and travel half way around the world so I know how it is. Bottom line, with a set of Bose you can cut out the noise (which is what I did) and as Alistair Morrison so eloquently described it is the obnoxious adult passenger’s feet up between the seat on YOUR arm rest, or constantly kicking the back of YOUR seat etc. that we can do without. I can only assume Malaysian Airlines are in a good position to make such a rule.
zulu44
zulu44 0
Mr. Keith Harris has the perfect solution (next to mine coming up)about wearing the Bose headset - however my solution = don't let babies fly until they're around 32 - and that's not a typo!
markaz
markaz 0
Fleagle makes the point I was going to allude to. There used to be "unwritten rules" passengers would adhere to, but in this "I've got my rights" society even the most fundamental courtesies that parents could extend to the rest of the passengers are nothing more than infringements on what is due them. I'm the parent of 2 girls and I NEVER took them on a plane until they reached a point where they could be reasoned with. For me and my wife it was rude to take an infant aboard and expect everyone deal with the screaming and crying. Other arrangements were always made or the trip was a no-go.
Some really good points are made with regard to adult passengers and some of their behaviors and couldn't agree more with every point made. But I’ll put up with the reclined seat and other dysfunctional behaviors vs. the crying infant for hours on end.
In the end, I applaud Malaysian Air and their decision. I just got back from London and took Business Class. Those were some huge dollars from Phoenix and if I had to listen to a screamer for 7+ hours I may have strangled one of the Continental employees. That said, with the pervasive sense of entitlement that is more common than not, we’ll never have this discussion about air carriers that are based in the U.S. or routinely fly to the States. Let a domestic carrier institute this rule and a cottage industry will be created with the number of lawsuits that would be filed.
jclambertsr
jclambertsr 0
I agree completely with Alistair!
markaz
markaz 0
jclambertsr - Is your aircraft a 114a?
jclambertsr
jclambertsr 0
It is a 112 TCA based in DXR
kmgraphic
Kathryn Gomez 0
Aaviatior - That is not a completely accurate statement. I lived in Belgium when my son was a baby and if I wanted to come home to see my family I had to fly. On one particular flight my son slept "like a baby" for most of the flight home, and then 15 minutes before landing the man next to me turned around and literally threw up in my lap!! All over my son, his blanket, the works. Not a word of warning. Not cool.
I also agree that while it is annoying, a babies cries can be muffled with headphones or at the worse ear plugs, but there is no fix for the passenger in front of you who does indeed recline his/her (somehow it is usually a man) seat to its max and which means that you cannot even more your legs far less get up to go to the bathroom! Those are the ones I would like banished to the cargo section of the plane.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
kmgraphic,
"Aaviatior - That is not a completely accurate statement. I lived in Belgium when my son was a baby and if I wanted to come home to see my family I had to fly."

Well, you illustrate the point perfectly!
You say - "If I wanted..."
"If I wanted...!"
"If I wanted...!"
Can't you hear what you're saying so reflexively, so automatically?!?!
"If I wanted..."
It's all about what YOU wanted!
You didn't have to fly home with your baby. But it's what YOU wanted.
kmgraphic
Kathryn Gomez 0
Oh sorry - I imagine I was just supposed to stay in Brussels where my husband was posted and not have my family meet their grandchild/nephew for three years! No internet in those days. How could I have been so thoughtless thinking only of the pleasure they would all get from meeting the new baby. Then again... I could have built a copy of the Kon Tiki and just sailed across the Atlantic, or charted an aircraft to fly them all over to Europe. Mea culpa, for not thinking of what I could possibly have done to avoid disturbing (and which we never did to anyone) the likes of such as yourself. And if you plan on answering this, and which you no doubt will because morons must always have the last word, don't bother. I thought I had finally found a website where people were civil and did not think that because they were "invisible" so to speak they could be rude and obnoxious. Apparently not so. Therefore have fun - write away. I am about to unsubscribe.
Cheers!
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
That's funny! You railing over "morons who must have the last word" while at the same time state (after you've had your say) that you are about to unsubscribe - therefore taking the last word for yourself. I guess that makes you the "moron" that you've defined! What a hypocrite!

You made your choices that created the family separation. None of the passengers on your flight were responsible for that, but yet you EXPECT them to be held accountable in an accomodating kind of way for the choices that YOU made - such that they are simply supposed to tolerate you and your baby inside the same aluminum tube for 10+ hours!

You can stop whining about the nature of correspondance on a website that you expected to measure up to your rules for civility. You were the first to take a swipe at me. If you didn't want to elicit the type of reply that you got, they you should have zipped your pie hole in the first place.
AABABY
AABABY 0
Sheesh!
zulu44
zulu44 0
I, of course, don't know what, if any, other airline will follow suit but whatever the case may be, if one feels that there's a chance a fussy child might be allowed in First Class then, my friend, go to that other airline that has the restriction in place. We DO have a choice in life, thank goodness. I'd like to see some statistics as to how First Class ticket sales have increased as a result of Malaysia Airlines' new ruling.
Tlewis51
Truman Lewis 0
I wish we could get some restaurant chains to do this also.
pilotmax12
Max Casper 0
that is so mean what they are doing
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
It's not mean. It's completely appropriate, as well as the absolute prerogative for any airline to put that sort of policy in place.
pilotmax12
Max Casper 0
yeah but i think it is mean because that parents might want to sit in first class and now an airline is telling them they cant. We have the freedom to sit where we want and now an airline is saying we cant.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
With all due respect, who gave you (or anyone) the freedom to sit anywhere you want in an airplane owned by someone else? This self-centered, entitlement minded culture is getting way out of hand. Ms. Gomez doesn't get that.
pilotmax12
Max Casper 0
i am not saying though you can sit where ever you want because you have assigned seats. But lets say you were a family of 4 and there were 4 seats available in first class and all the other seats were taken. So what do i do now be inconvenienced because you are not allowed to have an infant in first class. That is just not right.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
I never mentioned assigned seats. I was responding to your assertion that an airline is somehow infringing upon your freedoms - by disallowing you to purchase an assigned seat in first class with an infant when their policy says you may not. If that's their policy, you have no "freedom" to do as you please. You either comply with their policy, or else fly on another airline. That's it. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. It doesn't matter if you think it's right or not. It is what it is. If the policy negatively affects the company's bottom line, it may change. If not, it could very well remain in place. Airlines tend to cater more to their premium passengers, those who pay thousands of dollars for first class travel and don't wish to have a demonic screaming banshee raising hell in their cabin for hours.
Bogush
Bogush 0
JP you are a model of what I really don't know, you are playing with people and as you put it trolling, careful that some shark won't get hooked and eat you alive, as to my Polish background you are correct French is not my first language albeit franglais was when I lived in Quebec in the early 60s. I am not worried as I know enough spoken French to get by and your Polish is probably none existant.......anyways keep on trollin' trollin' trollin'
pilotmax12
Max Casper 0
you leave a very good point but what if this starts to continue to other airlines and this is a worldwide rule. What will we do now? Just change how we live
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
Yes, you may have to change the way you live! I know that may comas as a shock to folks who believe they are ENTITLED to so many things, or consider nearly everything to somehow be a "right". If it becomes a world wide airline policy, then yes, perhaps people will have to change the way they live - and fly in coach with their babies if they are accustomed to flying with babies in first class. But WHY get so excited about a world wide policy that doesn't even exist, or one that is even being considered by all of the world's airlines? Good grief! If I lived my life in constant fear of hypothetical eventualities at every turn in the road, I'd be paralyzed! Beyond that, I go back to my original point - outside of 2 circustances that I can think of, babies don't NEED to fly anywhere! Those circustances are, 1) a life saving medical procedure and 2) a permanent family relocation, which would include adoption. Outside of that, babies don't need to fly anywhere!
AABABY
AABABY 0
Max Casper: You don't have the right to sit where you want to
not on Malysia Airlines or any other airline. By the way,they are not subject to U S law, yet.
AABABY
AABABY 0
On an American Airlines packet of nuts -- "Instructions: Open packet, eat nuts."
pilotmax12
Max Casper 0
i am not saying you have the right to sit where you want i am just saying i feel that it is rude that if there are 4 seats and first class and you are a family of 4. And now an airline is telling me i have to change my plans because i cant just sit in those seats.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
THEN DON'T GIVE MALAYSIAN AIRLINES YOUR BUSINESS!!
FLY ANOTHER AIRLINE...GOOD GOD!
You seem to have a real problem dealing with the realities in life. Why is this such an issue for you? Do you even have an infant that you intend to fly with soon? (particularly on Malaysian Airlines), or are you just making noise? You're beginning to sound as absurd as that crybaby Kathryn Gomez. If you're just going to gripe and complain about all of the injustices in life ACCORDING TO YOU, why don't you just get together with whimpering Kathryn and have a pity party. You can commiserate with each other, and grieve over how you are so heinously persecuted by such a harsch, cruel and unfair world. Boo-F'n-hoo, the universe is not fair Max. Get over yourself, deal with it, and move on!
Bogush
Bogush 0
AAaviator - that's telling him/her
pilotmax12
Max Casper 0
You are not getting what i am saying. I think it is rude what there doing and i rest my case. And please do not be rude. And life is not about me i know that. And i do not have problems with reality i will just say what i feel. What you are saying in these messages are very rude and offensive.
Bogush
Bogush 0
MAd MAx - keep your shorts on, there is nothing rude in his comments, funny that you can dish it out but you can't take any criticism yourself - Max - look in the mirror and take a deep breath if you can't see your reflexion and the sun is risen.......Bela Lugosi might be your distant relative
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
Oh I totally get what you are saying, but I don't think you will accept that anyone gets what you are saying unless & until they agree with you. Until they do, you’re simply misunderstood. You’re also incredibly thin skinned. I see now you're using this retaliatory and classic liberal tactic of slinging around the "rude" label - 3 times here! When "rude" is shot gunned that way, as a blanket epithet, it's most often done so in an exploitive and disingenuous way in order to appear morally superior and to marginalize and castigate the target of your whimpering wrath (me in this case). That’s a common liberal strategy, and it ain’t gonna work with me! IS it usually the case with you that when someone disagrees with you, you’re woefully misunderstood? And when someone is critical of you’re point of view, they’re relagated to the status of "rude"? Buck up Max!
AABABY
AABABY 0
Where does Malaysian fly to in the USofA, anyway? I never heard of them until this little donnybrook was posted.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
They fly to Los Angeles, but they also code share with many US carriers.
"Donnybrook"! I haven't heard that Irish expression in years!
bigbear639
Plenty of Airlines have been put out of business by not giving the people what they wanted.I guess that Malaysian Air can afford to be choosy.
AAaviator
AAaviator 0
How do you know that Malaysian is NOT responding to what people wanted?!
mtnultrarnr
N Wag 0
I think the entire issue is the fact that these babies are flying in first/business class on someone's lap, hence, they are flying for free! My feeling is that children are ok in first and business as long as they are in their own seat (not flying for free) and attended to by the parent. And isn't that what it this all boils down to--the fact that the parents need to take responsibility for their children?

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