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65 year old women cleaning her shotguns after church on a Sunday morning decided she didn't like to be buzzed so practiced her skeet shooting with her .410. The paparazzi learned not to mess with grandmothers with shotguns. (arstechnica.com) More...

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HeinzBondzio
Heinz Bondzio 27
...I was enjoying this bit of 'lighter side' of life....until.............WHO the HECK is this Peter F. Hartmann Esq. ?????? We stopped using 'Esq' ages ago in the UK ....only self opinionated 'toffs' use that now....pity there is no 'IGNORE' button....just my opinion.....have a good day
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 18
It's very difficult to find his posts....until you click on "Show anyway"

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devsfan
ken young 8
" trying to censor those of us who are actually involved in aviation, & have a legit. reason for being in here, and wanting LEGIT posts."
You just contradicted your previous statement above.
Look, I will accede to your apparent level of education by getting to the point. In the past you have been openly hostile to those posters not in the aviation industry and even more so non flight crew.
Discussion terminated.
davidrbarnes
David Barnes 25
He's the self-appointed god of FlightAware Squawks, who believes only those with a pilot's certificate and type ratings are qualified to grace his screen with their comments. In short, he's a troll.
sueridge307
sueridge307 1
Is there such a word as CLUCKER FLUCKER HERE?

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joelwiley
joel wiley 15
Mr. Hartmann,
The history of your comments which can be found at:
http://flightaware.com/user/6686L
includes frequent instances of your stating that this forum is for pilots only, for the interaction of pilots and that others should utilize the many forums for general discussion and get off this one. In response to one of them some months ago, I suggested you create your own forum the access to which you could limit to those fitting your criteria.

All posters to this forum "come in here because they can", yourself included. There may be some who are required to attend as a condition of their parole, but I know of none fitting that bill.

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joelwiley
joel wiley 13
Mr. Hartmann, I see you have found a new mantra, "BS Detector". The problem with your BS Meter may be it's proximal location to yourself. As for persons actually reading some of your prior postings, that was my intent.

bathetic may be more appropriate than pathetic.
devsfan
ken young 9
" At no time did I suggest there should be ANY kind of restriction against those who come in here curious about some aspect of aviation. "
You sir, are being dishonest.

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PSUAth
What you looked in a mirror?

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PSUAth
man you must have mirrors all over the place!
flashfearless
Alan Jackson 10
Plenty of pompous lawyers in the US still use that. I don't deal with ESq's either.
k9wrangler
Karl Scribner 9
You're repeating yourself, pompous lawyers...there are few of any other kind.
canuck44
canuck44 7
At least he didn't say "Ethical attorney", one of the great oxymorons.
ChaosFreak
James Ryan 2
Hi Heinz,
Typically "Esq" is commonly used in the US to denote that the person is a lawyer who has passed the bar, similar to "MD" for people who have graduated medical school.
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 9
I do believe that justice has been served. I just saw this [This poster has been suspended.].

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 6
You think you were suspended because of discussing drones? No, you were suspended because you ridicule and bash other posters no matter what the topic is. Your words: "unless, of course, they engage in personal attacks in a vulgar and/or overly hostile manner." And that's exactly what you do. THAT'S why you were suspended. You've proven time and again that you should be banned permanently. A brief suspension for a few hours? Not enough.
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 3
Surprisingly, or maybe not, I agree with you. Things can get dangerous when people start taking the law into their own hands. Now, as a property owner, what are my rights and remedies to keep a drone from flying over my property?

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ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 1
Thank you for your answer. When I lived in rural East Texas, we rarely had problems with "drones" (the air force prefers the term Remotely Piloted Vehicle). At my current location, we don't worry about them at all, flying a drone, UAV, RPV, or whatever you want to call it would get all sorts of folks with three letter names all upset.
Bainbridge
Bainbridge 8
Don't mess with Granny.
A little buckshot in the right place always has got the job done!
cfwegman1
cfwegman1 12
Lets make a comparison. Drones are essentially a flying extension of the pilots eyes, since they have a live feed recording video camera on board. So for all intents and purposes a drone flying uninvited into someone's yard is even more intrusive than an actual person trespassing in that the drone is recording the event.
cfwegman1
cfwegman1 9
I forgot to say, a drone over flight is NOT comparable to that of a winged aircraft at any altitude due to the ability of the drone to hover in place. How would you skeptics feel about a helo hovering over your yard with Ted Turner's film crew hanging out the window?

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cfwegman1
cfwegman1 6
Peter, i'm puzzled how you come to find my hypothetical comparative situation to be disappointing when you apparently agree with my premise. Just as the RULES would come after a news helo flying the same course and altitude as a drone so should the RULES similarly come after the similar use of drones with the added twist that drones have the potential to be vastly more invasive than said new helo, they can fly right up your skirt. Being that you are so easily offended I assume you wear a skirt.
glenhorton
Glen Horton 3
"The guy driving the helio" you're a joke Peter. Maybe the pilot flying the helo or the guy piloting the helo. I don't believe anyone was doing anything to or with a "helio".
Locket3
Tom Lull 6
How many drone kills are required to be designated an ACE?
PSUAth
#dronelivesmatter
Locket3
Tom Lull 11
Apparently it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion that incorporates the terms - lawyer, shotgun, pilot, and Esq,
skye12
Scott Clark 5
The reasonable one is ALWAYS the one with the shotgun.
ChaosFreak
James Ryan 1
Well, the lady who did the shooting better find herself an Esq... the last person to blast a drone with a shotgun was arrested.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/29650818/hillview-man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-cites-right-to-privacy

Although he was acquitted:

http://www.cnet.com/news/judge-rules-man-had-right-to-shoot-down-drone-over-his-house/
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 1
It's difficult with just the Esq. part.

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ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 15
Mr. Hartmann, you are a cad and a boor, and certainly not a gentleman by my personal standards. As an attorney and a pilot, you are in an excellent position to offer some unique perspectives to many of the posts. This story is an excellent example of where you could have offered some interesting insights into the legalities and flying drone over private property, and of property owners taking actions. By expressing your opinions about this topic, you might have sparked the kind of discussion and debate that would make this story very interesting. Instead, you choose to belittle everyone, challenge every post, and stroke your own ego. This may be useful attributes in a courtroom, but they no place in a social setting. Were you a visitor to my club, we would politely invite you to leave. You have wasted an excellent opportunity here, and in other postings to have some most entertaining discourse and debate. I wish you a good evening.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 10
You are the arrogant bully. Fly away, Hartmann and leave the forums to those who don't have the need to criticize and critique everyone's posts. You've had a chance to be decent and courteous to others yet you continue to be abusive. Don't let the cockpit door hit your ass on the way out.

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 7
Mr. Hartless:

Once again you insert foot in mouth. And why do you insist on labeling me as someone who isn't involved in aviation as I'd sure like to know how you came to that conclusion. Now let's talk about "your kind"...blow hard snobs who think they lord over all with their technical expertise, of which yours seems to be primarily hot air. And please give my regards to Andrea. She should receive a Medal of Valor being married to a poor excuse of a man, which you have freely demonstrated to all of us here. I could continue this confrontation for days with the likes of you but I will step away before I inadvertently end up in the same category as you. Besides, I can't be in a battle of wits with an unarmed man...and I use the term "man" loosely. May you and "Puddle Jumper" make a nice crater. Happy Landings!

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Locket3
Tom Lull 17
OK Tinker bell: Tell us what your qualifications are. What can you teach me about aviation or flying. 5000+ flight hours in aircraft that include the F-9A, AD-J, A-4, A-6: 850+ carrier landing (1/3 at night), 275+ missions over North Vietnam. Standing by.
Locket3
Tom Lull 10
Forgot - - A-7E

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Locket3
Tom Lull 6
Same reason we say touch-&-go. Don't want to confuse the ignorant with "bolter".
joelwiley
joel wiley 11
The initial report of using a .410 has been updated to the correct 20 ga actually used. No change in the effect on the UAV
canuck44
canuck44 10
Good thing Grandma wasn't cleaning her 40 mm antiaircraft gun after church. Note the paparazzi didn't stick around to see if they were next, but jumped in their SUV and ran.
bentwing60
bentwing60 6
Next topic, "Drone Insurance".
canuck44
canuck44 9
Followed closely by Drone-chasing lawyers looking for someone to sue.
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 23
Sounds like a job for Peter F. Hartman, Esq.
PSUAth
i thought i saw one of those cheesey late night lawyer ads on tv. I knew the name sounded familiar.

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 22
No one seems to meet up to YOUR standards, Petey. Whatever...and I mean WHATEVER...ANYONE has to contribute to these forums, you have a complaint or a nasty comment to make. Why can't you just join the discussion and be civil without all the snarky put downs and nasty remarks? If you don't like the company, leave the room. Find a law forum and you can claim to be an expert there too. You seem to think YOU are the only person qualified to be here. Guess what clown, you're not. Whether intentional or not, you are a troll. Be nice or take a hike.

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 11
What would the point be? So you can bash whatever it is I or anyone else might have to add, seeing that you're the EXPERT and all. Take a minute and review all your down votes on this "thread". There's a reason you're not liked but apparently you enjoy being a bitter and hateful old man.

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k9wrangler
Karl Scribner 13
Arrogant horse's arse. Why do you come here? Because you can? Or are you compelled to appear just to rustle up the rabble you seem to be in such contempt of?

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PSUAth
those pesky mirrors!
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 12
Just what qualifies your presence here, Esquire? Your a nasty attorney with a private ticket. Wow, that makes you astronaut material, eh?

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bentwing60
bentwing60 21
Mr. Hartmann, since Preacher1, the former unofficial moderator of this site is no longer able to squawk or post on this particular site, I'm acting as his intermediary. For those who might be interested, you have contributed exactly Zero squawks on this site in your inglorious 7 years of participation. Your insatiable desire to denigrate the other participants on this site with your comments however lead to an ever greater number of squawks doing the "dead mans spiral" into the "esquire bash". What's the point? Were it up to me, you would be banished to the legal forum where you might, or might not excel. Alas, it is not to be. Perhaps your response will be the catalyst for sanity.

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k9wrangler
Karl Scribner 11
Well,you are certainly an expert on drones. Your droning on here has proven it time and again. Please continue to enlighten us here in the gallery as you strut back and forth in the virtual dock of the court of aviation enlightenment.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 12
I have the same qualifications and desire to be here as you. So, tell me, what's your problem? You just said "FA is open for anyone who has questions,or something to offer about aviation." That pretty much covers everyone here. So again, I ask you, just what is your problem?

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PSUAth
Supercool Marmol 18
Mr. Hartmann, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
carlsonj
James Carlson 6
Bonus points for the "Billy Madison" reference!
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 13
You have officially succeeded in proving to all those on these forums what a truly sad individual you are. I find you in contempt of the human race. Case closed.

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HeinzBondzio
Heinz Bondzio 3
By reading your statement "You will just have to deal with the fact that some of us are here out of a legit. interest in learning more about REAL aviation."....you contradict yourself....how can you be learning about 'real aviation' by following a light hearted post about drones....
lynx318
lynx318 3
Can you afford those precious sheets of yellow legal pad paper? What am I saying...course you can!

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k9wrangler
Karl Scribner 5
Wow, what a comeback. Like a first year public defender in traffic court.

Most here certainly are not insulted by your equine effluence, but rather off put by your pomposity and sorry self congratulatory, misplaced, fetid air of superiority. Much like the spoiled only child of overly indulgent parents.
PSUAth
what? was i know you are, but what am i? or i'm rubber and your glue... not available?
HeinzBondzio
Heinz Bondzio 5
So you are curious and want to learn more...? I looked on this thread because I thought the original subject brought a bit of humour.....only to end up reading this twaddle.....with all YOUR negative comments NO-ONE is learning ANYTHING...please just dry up and let us enjoy a light hearted subject..!
mariofer
mariofer 3
And I quote: "This FLIGHT AWARE is open for anyone who has questions, or something to offer, about aviation" So is this only to "anyone" who agrees with you? Judging by the caliber of your posts, this forum would have only one member; you, because you have criticized and attempted to shot down just about every single post you have read. I hope you are not this argumentative when you are flying. Would not like to in the same sector as you while you argue with the ATC of why you should change course.
bronson199
Frank Reynolds 4
Clearly the majority of the people here have different views and expectations of what these comment boards can or should be used for. The boards don't have to be solely for technical discussion. Technical AND casual discussion among a group of people, with varying experience, who share interest in the broad subject of aviation, is what you will find here. Why can't you just accept that?

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 5
EVERYTHING you have ever posted is ripe with personal aggression! Don't you get it? YOU are the problem here, no one else. I'm baffled as to why FA admin still allows you to troll these forums. "N6686L, going down..." Sorry...just some of that "personal aggression" bleeding through.....

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PSUAth
mirror mirror on the wall....
lynx318
lynx318 2
Yes - because no-one likes elitist snobbery!
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
LOL, on a roll.
jbsimms
James Simms 3
Flo from Progressive
amiablebird
Ed Merriam 0
WWII IJN Beehive shell?
zennermd
zennermd 9
PULL!!!!
otnielocampo
Otniel Ocampo 4
I'm not a REAL Pilot but a virtual pilot of a cessna 172, Beech BE36, and many other aircraft. I Enjoy reading and commenting on Squawks that I find interesting. Because you are a real pilot only means that you have a higher responsibility to keep cargo save and people alive but I have known people to be more knowledgeable of procedures and aircraft dynamics that real pilots. To sum it up Some posters on this forum need to grow up and stop the personal back an forth attacks!!! You know who you are!!! I'll see if I can make my next leg in my flight to MROC weather allow!!! Good day and good flight!!
lynx318
lynx318 4
Why can't this happen to me while I'm cleaning my Winchester Coohey 30" full choke 12 gauge? (loads Black Ranger BB round) BOOM! No identifiable remains!
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 4
This story does raise some interesting questions. While I do find it amusing that Grandma was cleaning her shotguns, after church, and a drone just happened to fly over, which she promptly dispatched, it does make me wonder about the various legalities involved. First, what rights do I have as property owner in regards to drone overflights and what legal remedies do I have should one fly over? Mr. Hartmann, you are an attorney, pilot, and drone owner, perhaps you could weigh in on these questions, from both view points, that of a property owner and that of a drone pilot.
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 3
My question here was one of legitimate interest. Does anyone know anything about the legalities I mentioned in the above post?
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 3
I rarely comment in Squawks and it both angers and saddens me that when I do, it seems to be to do battle with an obnoxious poster...you know...that "lawyer guy" slash expert airman. I apologize if anyone thinks any of my comments were too harsh or out of line. And just for the record...when I'm not doing touch and goes in my King Air, driving the neighbors bonkers, I'm shuttling my elderly mom to the grocery store in the Gulfstream G650...try gettin' one of those babies in a handicapped spot...have a good evening ;)

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 4
An "I'm sorry, Mr. Weather" would have sufficed.
ah6oy
Jim DeTour 3
65 year old woman just happened to be cleaning her shotgun after church? 6 hale Mary's and clean the shotgun you shot him with. Well clean it again.
patpylot
patrick baker 4
get as huffy as you need to about "the rule of law", and keep your noisy drone over public property, not my land. Birdshot goes upward from my property toward anything flying over my land. :Ask , and you may get permission. Don't ask, and you get your drone turned into confetti. just sayin.....

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wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 12
Why didn't you stop after the first two sentences? I could have agreed with your opinion for once. Unfortunately you had to bring back you hobby horse of putting down a whole group of participants with your arrogant attitude.
carlsonj
James Carlson 1
Indeed; so close! I fully agree that shooting at unwanted flying machines, manned or otherwise, is at least dangerous, foolish, and illegal.

But he just can't help it. Not responding at all seems to help.
lynx318
lynx318 2
"I’ve had two punctures in my lawn tractor," Evil drone's ghost takes it's revenge, Muhahaha!
pilot62
Scott Campbell 2
He's a dementia patient in a memory care unit - they let him have access to a computer a few hours every week -
Just ignore him like the rest of us.
diggerzmound
diggerzmound 2
I would say its the responsibility of the pilot to remain out of shotgun range of any property which may have such firepower.

There is no reason to hover over someone else's property with something capable of recording video, or still motion, or sound for that matter without permission in my opinion.

Fly your plane over the Pentagon a few times and let me know how that works out for you....
MANBOI
MANBOI 2
Interesting. I've been wondering about this lately as we have a neighbor who flies a drone over our house then posts pictures online. Of course I saved the pictures and assume he's got others looking in our bathroom or bedroom windows during the day. For now I just watch these snoops and let them hang themselves. If I shot their drone down while taking pictures of parts of my home where I have a reasonable expectation of privacy I'll probably go to jail. Its strange there is still so much gray area.
arfdog
mags stumpp 5
Next: "i really didnt like those noisy old 767's overhead, so I took my skeet gun and ..." Sigh.
davidrbarnes
David Barnes 6
In all seriousness, the approach to TUL's 18L passes directly overhead the Tulsa Gun Club's range. The range is about 1 mile off the arrivals end, which puts arrivals on a 3* glideslope around 200-300ft AGL. I have, on a rare occasion or two, heard the gunfire from the range on approach.

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davidrbarnes
David Barnes 5
It was while riding jumpseat on a maintenance check flight in a B757-200 that I first noticed it.

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davidrbarnes
David Barnes 19
1. We were at approximately 200-300 feet AGL, as mentioned above, with the power retarded for approach, not in cruise. This proximity to the ground and configuration would quite obviously greatly increase the opportunity to hear the gun range.
2. The flight crew who "actually drive the things" were and should be focused on the operation of the aircraft.
3. Those of us flying jumpseat, once maintenance activities are completed, have a more relaxed opportunity to notice such oddities.
4. Were your friends overflying a gun range at such a low altitude and in such a configuration? I can't imagine there are many ranges you can overfly below standard minimum safe altitudes. Or are they, as you usually do, speaking in vague generalities?
5. Neglecting all of the above, perhaps your friends should talk to their AME during their next medical about their hearing.

Finally, your modus operandi is finally clear to me: insult first, question credentials second, and then if all else fails, call the other person a liar.
ChaosFreak
James Ryan 1
Fascinating... On several occasions I have smelled the strong smell of a skunk while at 2000 ft in my C172. I always wondered whether (1) I am crazy; (2) I was smelling an actual skunk or (3) my co-pilot needed a shower. Has anyone else ever noticed strange (non-aircraft-or-human-related) smells while flying?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Can't speak to the flying aspect, but the scent is detectable up to 2.5km/1.5 mi horizontally. If there is mixing or you are flying thru terrain it is certainly plausible that is what you smelled.
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 3
Going to give a point to Mr. Hartmann here. Based off my limited experience in firearms and explosions on airports. Years ago there was a gunsmith that specialized in large game rifles (think 470 nitro express) for the most part located on an airport where I worked. While doing engine run-up's/taxi tests in Caravans and Citations I wouldn't hear much else, but working with the hangar door open his test fires made me jump once or twice. Then there were the taxi runs we did on the Eclipse 500's at Albuquerque International/Kirkland AFB. The explosive test range on the base of the Sandia Mountains wasn't noticeable in a running aircraft but man could they shake the hangar.
davidrbarnes
David Barnes 5
Ruger:
Thanks for your comments. Maybe it was just the right set of circumstances, but in this case (and one other) I was able to hear the range on approach. Certainly never on climbout (higher altitude coupled with a higher N1), though. Keep in mind that 300 feet would only be the length of a football field, so certainly not so far as to be outside the realm of possibility.
A Caravan would certainly be a bit noisier, especially in the run-up hole, and with a Citation, you're a lot closer to the (much smaller) powerplants on the aircraft.
And more than anything, I appreciate your tone as compared to certain other posters in this forum.
DB
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 2
The question intrigued me so I've been running some numbers and I am close to changing my opinion to maybe it could be heard based off the math rather than my admittedly anecdotal evidence. So I am running some numbers but having trouble finding reliable noise level data for the RB211 or PW2000 series engines. What I have so far is firearms tend to range in volume between 150-160dB with a few outliers hitting 170dB. So figuring 160dB @ 300 ft. that would translate to roughly 100dB. And that might just barely be louder than a PW 2040 at 50 or so feet.
davidrbarnes
David Barnes 1
And it was, indeed, quite muffled. Not nearly as loud as one would hear while on the range.
freneticmonk
Keith Smith 3
I've gotta say that people like her make me proud to be a redneck. Those city boys are lucky they were able to make it back to their SUV and not in some abandoned mine shaft. Sorry but I have to practice my banjo now. 😉
iflyfsx
iflyfsx 2
What happened to "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about"?

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bgaskill
brian Gaskill 1
Why is Mr Hartmann's comment down voted here? Because you don't like most of his comments..? Then down vote the comments you don't like...quit perpetuating the problem by generalizing or being a "comment-bully". (And BTW...I'm not a fan of most of his comments)

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 7
Who's the bully? Who's the angry one? YOU believe in courtesy? Wow, that's funny seeing as you're the most discourteous person here. You seem to think that everyone here is REQUIRED to be sanctioned by the FAA to participate on these forums. What don't you get about the word PUBLIC? Are we all supposed to flash our credentials somehow, before we are allowed to post a comment? Why don't you subpoena a copy of FlightAware's SOP and show us all the legal phraseology stating that all participants of this forum must meet certain aeronautical requirements before being allowed to post within the FlightAware forums. Go on, Mister Lawyer, show us. Show us your PPL and Law Degree while you're at it too. We want to make sure you're not a fraud while shooting your mouth off here.

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WeatherWise
WeatherWise 5
Who the hell said I didn't own and operate an airplane? I sure didn't mention it, never have, never had a need to. So how would know this information,loser, or is it just more sewage spilling out of your "always open but never saying anything mouth"?
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 2
Where's your response "Esquire"??? Again I will ask: Where did you get your information? I'll tell you where...you pulled it out of your ass like everything else you post on here.
UALdave
David Halligan 2
I don't blame her. Here in Denver, there was a news story about a man who shot a drone that was hovering over his teenage daughter, who was in a swimsuit in the pool in their backyard. People have no right to use drones to stalk others. And when they do, they deserve to have it destroyed.
Sjcst35
Sean Curran 1
“The man(Robert Duvall) is a national treasure and they should leave him the fuck alone", says woman.
LakeHavasuAZ
Steve Miller 1
It's fake.
ExCalbr
Victor Engel 1
This is not unlike the incident in which fire fighters sprayed a drone that was watching them trying to put out a house fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ8QqEgynMw
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
I love how she says they need to leave Duvall the fuck alone. Classic!
sueridge307
sueridge307 1
I don;t know what all the fuss is about but some of you are rude and need to grow up on this flightaware and stop TROLLING like most do even some are from the FR24.com CHAT ROOM easy to pick the losers here
robnielsen
rob nielsen 1
oh my, I clicked on the link to read about another case of someone having a severe case of UAV phobia, I did not expect all this nattering about someone being a troll (that has clearly been 'fed').
In any event the woman's actions are in direct contravention of the ruling by the FAA and she can be imprisoned.
andrewcarter747b
A blast from the past returns go on you for shooting this plastic machine out of the skies
YMA284
Mervyn Sher 1
Only in the USA, where everything is settled by gun violence.
PSUAth
2nd Amendment baby!!!! LOCK AND LOAD

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PSUAth
Please, Mr. 'Marmol' is my dad. call me Supercool

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honzanl
honza nl -3
you just mention the violent crime rate; yet forget the rest: children killed by it f.e.
And ps: law abiding citizens never get drunk, have doestic fights, have bad moods ? nice thought then for the rest of us that such persons then also have a gun....
linbb
linbb 1
Got no problem here but might encourage others to do the same and cause harm to others or property due to shot or bullets then it becomes a problem. Many don't even think when shooting as to what they might hit beyond what they aimed at.
PSUAth
i remember a story where a guy shot a drone in his neighborhood. he was arrested for discharge of a firearm, and possibly destruction of property. i think the drone operator got a nice settlement
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 5
in the city yes, on the farm...not so much.
PSUAth
Supercool Marmol -2
the lady said it looked like it was out of range or broke. so she takes the shot? why didn't she call the cops first and let them handle it? it sounded like she had plenty of time to call, and for the cops to show. and she didn't feel threatened, or in danger, but still took the shot?

It is still a grey area, it seems in how drones are to be operated and treated. no, people shouldn't fly drones over people's houses, but people should be shooting at them either.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 5
I agree, look beyond your target. However, I rather like the idea of birdshot because it doesn't travel very far but gets the job done. At least you have to aim upwards and not across. Go Granny!

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 3
So, what was the Warden's reply?
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 5
Where's a hungry alligator when you need one?
bentwing60
bentwing60 6
That the Esquire was a lawyer so it would be double!

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woodrich
woodrich 7
Can you explain what your post has to do with the question I asked about the subject-matter of this particular "thread"......or is this still another example of folks who come in here "because they can"....rather than having an interest in actual aircraft technical matters....

Aren't you even a bit embarassed at posting such utter nonsense ?

Over and over again I get this crazy idea that aviation-minded and aviation-informed folks - people directly involved in aviation, are the ones who come in here. My mistake - as another posted, people come in here "because they can"...certainly not necessarily because they give a damn about actual aircraft operations.

"Fliers" ( those who ride in the BACK of other folks airplanes, but feel a deep emotional interest in aviation ) come in here to babble ANYTHING to make themselves feel important...there is apparently some value to them, to see their words in print, with little or no interest in whether their posts contribute to our learning more about aviation.
davidrbarnes
David Barnes 4
Perfectly said, Woodrich!
canuck44
canuck44 1
Woody...some folks just need airtime....while waiting for another ambulance to chase. Note Todd Baldwin's comment above.

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bentwing60
bentwing60 6
Tell me Mr. Hartmann, if the laymen from this site were to log onto your favorite legal beagle site, would you castigate them as vociferously as you do those on this one? But then, I suppose few actually would log onto one predominantly inhabited by esquires, pols. and crooks. And some might consider more that a few in the first two categories to also occupy a firm position in the last! Cheers.
PSUAth
funny thing, when you have a public forum, the public seems to work their way in!
davidrbarnes
David Barnes 6
Alas, Mr. Hartmann always seems to want to screen based on what type ratings (or more recently what involvement in Part 121 operations) one has. But remarkably, regardless of experience or knowledge, one never seems to measure up to his standards.
wingbolt
wingbolt 12
One thing for sure...he has the popularity of a scorching case of herpes.

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canuck44
canuck44 2
"Retired" is probably just another term for "Disbarred".
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
According to the Calif Bar website, his license is intact.
canuck44
canuck44 5
Nice that something about him is.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 5
Tell US Esquire...what qualifies YOU to be on this site? You're an attorney with a private ticket. Almost astronaut material, eh?
PSUAth
hey don't knock my profession! i was on a secret mission to the sun. i would have pictures, but we went at night because the sun is too hot/bright during the day!!!!

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PT7320
Paul Taylor 21
Dear Mr Hartmann,

For quite a number of years I have been a member of Flightaware. Not because I own a drone or because I own an aircraft and not because I am a pilot. (Although I did fly sailplanes for a while in late 1970's while I was a member of the air force.)

I am a member because I have a keen interest as an observer of all things aviation. An aeroplane spotter if you will.

I am sure Flightaware may have been created for as you say "presumably, it is primarily for those of us who have a legit. interest in the technical aspects of aviation." However Flightaware has welcomed the likes of myself to listen and learn from far more experienced and learned people.

I have never made a contribution to comments on this forum. Just a very happy lurker who enjoys the sharing by others of technical knowledge from more skilled and astute members with different points of view. It's what makes us human. The gift to be able share wonderful information in all our quirky ways.

What I am finding very distressing just lately is your very critical responses to many contributors. You are falling into the trap that is so often the bane of other social media outlets. Attacking others for the sake of attacking.

I respectfully suggest that you let their comments pass without you feeling the need to respond in the negative. It makes for a truly awful and uncomfortable Flightaware experience.

Your skills in withering critique are clearly best suited for your primary role as an attorney.

Yours sincerely
PT7320
HeinzBondzio
Heinz Bondzio 7
Damned well said Sir.....RESPECT
skye12
Scott Clark 1
I hate these things with their video cameras. If they
fly over private property, I think more than appropriate to
take decisive action.

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skye12
Scott Clark 1
We can wade through the legal minutiae at a future date. If one doesn't possess
the common sense requisite of respecting anothers property, well...
robnielsen
rob nielsen 2
yes, well by that same token, people with radio controlled fixed wing aircraft shouldn't have cameras either, and for that matter, Dash cams on your car, and the cel phone cameras.
99.99999% of 'Drone' users (they are quadcopters or hex copters, the Air Force flies Drones) are taking perfectly innocent pictures and video.
soarby007
brent young 1
Go granny go!! Probably drives a Pontiac GTO!!
Cadefoster
Cade foster -3
Good for her! Bama Justice dept will probably throw her in jail though...

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