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The economic worth of an Airbus A380 flight

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How much actual economic value does an A380 bring to a city, compared to smaller aircraft like a Boeing 777? Using Sydney Airport as an example, Deloitte calculates a daily A380 flight contributes an estimated $342 million to Australia's GDP annually, compared to $287m for a Boeing 777 and just $176m for other international aircraft. (www.ausbt.com.au) More...

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ekhan5
khan sardar 3
Oranges and apples
bergk
Ken BERG 2
On AF A380 flights LAX-CDG-LAX last August we experienced flutter or shudder for about 8 hours each way. Airbus has been working on A380 wing problem with separation of wing skin from underlying support structure ... weld, rivet, glue etc failures I guess ... or simply not done in manufacture of wings. Does 'loose' wing cause flutter? Does flutter loosen wing joints? Any suggestions on this???
Ken Berg
Mission Viejo, CA
CaptJohn1
CaptJohn1 1
I just flew back and forth from Frankfort on an A380, and it was a great flight, except for how long it took to get on and off the flight and the luggage took a long time, but the flight part was very nice. That being said, I suspect their not the money makers the airlines had hoped they would be.
avihais
Of course and A380 has more passengers but it neglects to compare how many other 777 or comparable aeroplanes land per hour as a comparison. It would be better to compare passengers through the terminals and where they are from.

i.e. 1 380 5 777s = more rich Americans then rich Arabs. LOL.
JoeBaxter08
Joe Baxter 1
But surely it would make a considerable amount more money because of the higher amount of passengers it can carry at any-one time. Whereas the 777 can barely carry half of what the A380 can carry.
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
What about the revenue vs expense difference between a full 777 and half full/empty 380?
bergk
Ken BERG 1
As aviationally challenged passenger we flew AF A380 LAX-CDG-LAX in August, at 38,000 feet. 20 hours of travel gave 16 hours of shudder, almost continuous. A380 wings had problem where wing panels not bonded, glued, riveted or whatever to inner support structure. Shudder is not good for joints.

Is there any info out there on this subject?

Ken Berg
Mission Viejo, CA
robert3232
robert robert 1
I flew on BA very 1st a380 from LAX LHR-LAX in October both rides were smooth and quiet and comfortable
Kudos to Airbus and British Airways
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
One point of speculation in a 20 page broad brush-stroke report in the economic impact of Sydney airport on NSW. Another was "At "82,000 per annum, the average FTE wage of an employee working on the Sydney Airport precinct is 13% higher than the NSW average for all employees". The report does not mention how full the Dubai flight would need to be to generate the numbers. Neither did the report analyze the impact on a per-passenger basis, which would of greater interest to the aviation population.

Dubai and AB380 singled out in the report. Makes me wonder who paid for the analysis,
johnholmes1
John Holmes 1
Clearly the above analysis is faulty.
1. It assumes that since there is a 380 on which to fly, as opposed to a 777, MORE people are going to fly. Wrong assumption.
2. Probably the same number of people are going to fly from Dubai to wherever, then the airlines will either dispatch two 777's, or one 380. There will still be the same number of travelers. Hence, no greater economic impact.
3. The airlines benefit by the use of a 380 with (supposedly) better economies, that is, fewer employees to handle the same number of passengers. With that assumption, there is a smaller economic impact by using a 380, compared to using two 777's.
The next time you publish an article of interest to the aviation public, I hope you read it first and analyse it for thoroughness and accuracy.
JENNYJET
Has anyone considered the 'Concorde' effect?

Given a choice at booking, would you take the B777 flight from anyplace to LAX or take the A380 to LAX?

Emirates flight MAN to DBX on B777 or A380?

How does one evaluate value as a bean counter at Head Office over sales based upon the value to humble fare paying customers seeking the experience of flying the A380?

I once had the privilege of flying the Concorde because the regular B737 was late arriving and BA decided to use the residual fuel on board the recently landed flight from JFK and use the Concorde as back up to enable the scheduled flight to
Edinburgh on the Shuttle service. It is a BA service, To Fly to Serve and on this occasion they served and they still do so to this day.

I also flew with BA to CDG on Concorde but that is another story for my priest upon my demise.

My point is that any economic value of flying between two points of interest using the biggest and most fashionable aircraft or by way of using the most efficient is one to be left with those that shed the Dollars upon booking the seat.

If given the option of flying a B747 or B777 and offered a seat upon an A380 even at greater cost, I would recall my Concorde moment!
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I agree, if one is going to endure, one may as well endure comfortably. That said, if the trip costs were such that a two-week trip somewhere nice on a 777 cost as much as the same trip for one week on a 380, in my case whatever cachet there was for flying the 380 would suffer.

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karandjoh
John Reilly 0
Aussies know all about Ford versus Holden and always these posts degenerate into Boeing versus Airbus. For what it is worth I have flown Qantas A380s Sydney to Heathrow a number of times and they have always been full. So what does that tell you?
jbbooks1
Lewis Tripp 2
The airline themselves say not full most times. It isn't an economical aircraft. So what does that tell you.
banana
James Eaton 0
The A380 is an aircraft of the future: one could even say that this aircraft is a precursor to what is to come in terms of aircraft design, engineering and comfort - indeed, as we know, it was the first to fly with new materials, etc. More innovation will follow.

Looking at the statistics, passenger air travel is up every year since flying began and the rise continues (even during economic downturns). The A380's role in the future of air travel is assured.
skyking007
David Reed -9
The question is will they get on a 777 after one flies in to the seawall at SFO in CAVU while the other goes missing with no clear reason. No I think stay in my own back yard until we get some answers to these events.
joelwiley
joel wiley 4
Maybe it depends on the company rather than airframe?
lear36
James Lee 2
If you stay in your own backyard, I think you'll find you have very happy neighbors.

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