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A Delta airlines flight was forced to make an emergency landing Tuesday at the Indianapolis International Airport due to (www.abc57.com) More...

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mwilliams78
Mike Williams 16
"The pilot had no control of the plane but landed it safely."
That's a pretty bold statement to add to a news report when the reporter obviously has no details or information about the incident (or knowledge of aviation).
This report reminds me of the segment on the Daily Show the other night about news networks filling their reports with speculation and hype to replace the fact that they have nothing to report.
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preacher1
preacher1 9
I guess they were ASSUMING that the pilot had no control since he was reporting a nosegear steering problem. Still sensationalism; slow news day
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PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It was poorly written copy that was likely over-edited to fit the short time allocated to such a non-story.

To be fair, the plane has Delta paint. Even if a good reporter would've covered the diversion due to Republic having maintenance facilities at IND and owning Shuttle America.

Wonder how soon they realized they had an issue with the nose gear. IND is nowhere close to LGA, but not too out of the way from Chicago. So it probably wasn't during the landing sequence (which would've been expected). Maybe at takeoff roll or immediately after.

Anyone look up the flight on Flightaware yet to see what path this flight took?
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PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Found it:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL5946/history/20130917/2025Z/KIND/KLGA
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PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Better info:
http://airplanes24.net/incidents/495-delta-flight-5946-emergency-landing
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preacher1
preacher1 1
much better info on this link. Somebody at Republic probably made the call to divert there. See post from James 801 at the bottom. His word is out of DAL ops in ATL
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bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Ahaa! The food editor strikes again. Git out there and report something, and I don't mean Taco Bell! Any wonder why professional pilots are not too keen on talking to the media after a real emergency? I'm not quite sure that nosewheel steering falls under the red boxed items in the QFH, but Matt is probably right, much cheaper to repair at home than LGA. Damn those pesky passengers, do they really need to be in NY instead of Indy.
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pmbell64
Pat Bell 6
Nice reporting - I guess the plane just knew where to go without the pilot. Kind of like a homing pigeon - didn't know Embraer had mastered that technology ;)
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
So by what they are saying is that the pilot had no control of any flight control or engines... landed safely... All because his Nose Wheel Steering Failed... Maybe Embraer does not make such a good plane after all if that is true. :) Yes I know that is a Smart $%^ answer, but this entire news article is... Must have been a slow news day for ABC and or Indy.
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gopurduego
Robert Lewis 0
At $84 an hour, it would take her 235 hours to make $19788. Thats a lot more than a few. I'm starting to think maybe this is some sort of gimmick.
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mk882004
Matt Kladder 6
This is a terrible news report, it was obviously a nose gear steering problem, which wouldn't affect flight at all, the only reason it was diverted was because it was operated by shuttle America, who is owned by republic, who are headquartered at IND, easier to do maintenance there than LGA, this doesn't deserve a news story
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Agreed... Diverted for convenience...
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preacher1
preacher1 1
http://faculty.weatherhead.case.edu/forbes/book_chapter_oct06.pdf
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preacher1
preacher1 1
Makes perfect sense to me but as I said below, it says DELTA on it and that is all that the general public will ever see.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
It was only the Delta Flag... The news media is not a smart enough to look at the side of the plane to see who flies it.
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preacher1
preacher1 1
I'll tell you like I told the rest of them; unless you are in the world of aviation and know the difference, DAL is DAL, and while it wears that DAL flag it is operated and under the control of DAL. Your bunch may call you to fix a broke plane, but DAL dispatch directs them where/when to fly and is responsible for souls on board.
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mk882004
Matt Kladder 1
I have to disagree here, regionals all have their own dispatch who would be telling this aircraft where to go, DAL dispatch would have no hand in any plane but mainline, they all have their own maintenance as well, but you are correct when you say the general public doesn't realize several different airlines fly as Delta.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Yes and know. It is federal law that there has to be a placard on the side of every regional a/c stating who is flying the plane... In this case, it would have been "Shuttle America" or "Republic Airlines". Anyone taking the time to notice would have known who they were flying on... Also, it is the law that the flight crew is to identify who they are flying on... You will always here the statement to some since that would reflect a similar statement to "Thank you for flying" and the name of the airline. The news media should be smart enough (even though they probably are not) to look at the side of the plane and not just the tail. It is illegal for them to fly someone and them not know who they are carrying.

Now it is a different story if people do not listen, pay attention, or remember... Just like the fine print when you sign your name.. How many people remember it all :)
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PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
But a reporter, reporting the incident, you'd think the person would do some investigation. Like look up the flight in the Delta reservations system (website) or check out the flight on FA. Both would show the high numbered Delta flight is actually a Shuttle America flight, and call SA/Republic for a comment. You know. Reporting. Or just ask someone at the airport acting as a spokesperson for the incident, about who is responsible for the plane and the passengers.

Turns out the flight continued onward to LGA a few hours later (possibly on different equipment, they were at a major base for the regional) so the reporter(s) may not think to ask about the logistics of getting the passengers to their destination, etc.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Or even if he had looked it up on Flight Aware :)

Any way you look at it.. They had a slow news day with a lazy reporter who did not research the facts and posted an article with little or no thought.... That is just the way the the media reports any more.
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PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It actually quite sad. You could actually take the televised news report and the short factual description in the link I provided, for the basis of a case study in journalism school, or an on-the-job workshop at any news station or newspaper, about the importance of actually reporting your story. Even if you're on deadline, you can quickly find out lots of important background info easily on the web. Then call the individuals/ organizations/ companies involved. The basics are important in any profession.
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preacher1
preacher1 1
I differ with you a tad. DAL OPS is involved. Look at DAL's status board or any airline for that matter. Pick You one at random here on FA and track it and see how it is reported and updated. Both are shown but you can't track it by the owner as it is filed as a DAL flt. For that matter, look below at comments by James801. He is a DAL Captain based in ATL and it was well known among them
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gopurduego
Robert Lewis 5
I'm equally impressed that there were first responders ALREADY AT THE AIRPORT! Amazing coincidence that there would be an emergency crew of some sort at an airport.
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ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
They were there for an exercise.
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chalet
chalet 2
Crap journalism, this ítem did not merit making this site
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mwilliams78
Mike Williams 2
This is the daily show segment this report reminds me of...
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-17-2013/wrongnado---cnn?xrs=share_copy
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
There are a lot of discrepancies here.. One it was flying the delta flag and since it is an Embraer 170 or 175, therefore it was a regional carrier such as Compass airlines or Republic airlines.

Diverted due to Nose Wheel Steering.... With that failure the nose wheel will caster and is not needed for landing... Why did the crew declare and emergency... that is not the smartest thing to do. Worst thing that could happen would be to tow the a/c off the runway.

I just had one like this. We did not divert, continued normal flight, made a normal landing, and had ops to tow it off the runway... They knew to be ready 45 minutes before the plane arrived, so the runway was only closed for 5 minutes.

Why is this news? This happens more often that most people could ever imagine.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Forgot to mention... Since when is nose wheel steering required in flight?
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preacher1
preacher1 1
As stated below, owned by Republic and somebody made the call to bring it to the home base at IND to fix it rather than LAG
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ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
Aviation Herald ran a report on this yesterday.

http://avherald.com/h?article=468a1d50&opt=0
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mjr82178
mjr82178 1
Passengers certain to die! Airline negligent!
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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
HMM.. They missed that in the article... I wonder how many hundreds of people died because the pilot declared an emergency because he could not taxi on the ground. Landing with out NWS is no big deal... it will caster when the NWS is not engaged... Wonder if the first responders were able to save any of the lives.
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preacher1
preacher1 1
They were there for an exercise.
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preacher1
preacher1 3
They know it's DAL just like the general public. Granted, it may belong to one of several regionals but it still says DELTA on the outside and per the contract and DOT, must be operated per DAL standards. It is operated under a DAL flt number. Were it not so, there would be no reason to spend the money on the paint
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preacher1
preacher1 3
I might add that things might get passed on in court but any initial lawsuit filing for anything will be to DAL first, not only cause they got the deepest pockets, but because their name is on the plane and they have the operating certificate.
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preacher1
preacher1 1
I know what liability is and I won't argue the point, BUT, while I was out for awhile and had Owner operators leased to me, DOT regs said that if my name was on the side, they acted as if I owned them and we had to inspect and maintain them as our own. That said, they may have had their own authority(certificate) but they operated under mine. When a customer saw them back to the dock, they were getting one of ours. Now, we had insurance to subrogate to and maintenance recovery out of settlement but they were dispatched by our dispatchers and had our truck# on the side. I agree with you that there is a certain amount of independence, but while we may all know what a regional airline is, all the general public knows is that it is painted in the carriers colors and in this case, they bought a DAL ticket and flew on it.
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btweston
btweston 1
Well, in their defense, it does say Delta on the side of the plane. It's not like they called it US Airways or something.
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