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Controllers Not a Contributing Factor to Southwest Landing
U.S. Senator says FAA controllers did what they were supposed to. (www.cnn.com) More...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Next think that we are going to have to install in the planes is an Electronic Airport Identifier. When the captain lines up with the wrong airport you will hear an Audible Alarm.... "Wrong Airport... Wrong Airport"... They use everything else on the plane to get it write... Why not a wrong airport alarm.
Ha!!
Easy enough. If you file a IFR flight and load it into the plane's system, it can easily detect if you're on approach to the correct airport or not.
The problem cones when you have an emergency diversion. You will already have your hands full dealing with whatever is causing your emergency. Then you line up for a runway to save your own and every life onboard, and the plane keeps yelling 'wrong airport, wrong airport'. It's like having a second back-seat driver wife at work.
In the other hand, each tine you line up with ANY AIRPORT's runway on approach, the plane could read off the airport, the runway, and the available landing distance for all known airports (if those without towers or without radar.)
Easy enough. If you file a IFR flight and load it into the plane's system, it can easily detect if you're on approach to the correct airport or not.
The problem cones when you have an emergency diversion. You will already have your hands full dealing with whatever is causing your emergency. Then you line up for a runway to save your own and every life onboard, and the plane keeps yelling 'wrong airport, wrong airport'. It's like having a second back-seat driver wife at work.
In the other hand, each tine you line up with ANY AIRPORT's runway on approach, the plane could read off the airport, the runway, and the available landing distance for all known airports (if those without towers or without radar.)
Taking a used line from TV... "We have the technology, we can make him better". Set it up at 500AGL, if you are on final to an airport that is not a defined destination, you would get the audible alert... Every alerting system in the plane is there because someone goofed up... GPWS, TCAS, all were products to make things safer due to crew errors... Now we take them for granite and it is even hard to defer. Next time around for EGPWS may be a wrong runway detector... Depends on how many people continue to land at the wrong airport... 2 in 2 months is a pretty high number and the FAA and NTSB will demand a fix if it continues... That is the way history has presented itself.
Rather than a "wrong" warning at non IFR-plan airports at 500 AGL (which is too late, Asiana didn't recover from a change in descent at 600ft); I would suggest an audible ID of Airport & Runway any time the plane lines up with any runway below 3,000 AGL for commercial passenger aircraft (maybe lower for GA).
Maybe 1500AGL would be better.. Just using an arbitrary number. That would be a good idea to... Set it up similar to a marker beacon, but instead of going straight up, have it to shoot at an approach angle. All airports on the same frequency. Have the signal setup to come on within 5 miles on final... The airport would start verbal ID until muted by the crew... If you are desiring to land at XYZ airport and all of a sudden you hear "Landing ABC Runway 33" you may want to rethink your approach....
LOL, if anyone at the FAA or NTSB is watching us.... It would be interesting if they used a few of our ideas :)
LOL, if anyone at the FAA or NTSB is watching us.... It would be interesting if they used a few of our ideas :)
I hope they are reading. It would be part of their research, seeking new ideas and solutions.
I would suggest sonehubg higher than 1500 AGL. At least 2,000 and/or up to 3,000.
Taking a look at approach plates for major airports (even in busy airspace) shows that the planes' path lines up with runway centerline at the last point at about 2,500 to 3,000 AGL.
My idea is that as soon as the plane hits this last point and is vectored onto final approach, their airport and runway should be ID'd by the pilots, by the controllers, and potentially by the plane itself with both audible and visual feedback on the display.
Those straight shot approaches are the easiest ones, not only to fly, but also to provide logic for creating audible/ visual feedback.
As easy as these straight shit approaches are, these highly-publicized wring airport landings were exactly these 'easy' straight-in approaches that lull the pilots into complacency.
Trickier are the approaches with last minute turns onto one or worse two or more runways. Eg. The Canarsie approach to JFK's 13R and 13L, (which was the scene of a go-around that almost led to an Aerogal to crash into a JetBlue plane taking off, when the Aerogal turned toward the wrong runway). Planes travel along the same corridor until the last point when planes turn right to one or the other of two parallel runways.
The best solution would have the runway clearance sent to plane from tower. Any deviation from the cleared approach would ve alarmed.
I would suggest sonehubg higher than 1500 AGL. At least 2,000 and/or up to 3,000.
Taking a look at approach plates for major airports (even in busy airspace) shows that the planes' path lines up with runway centerline at the last point at about 2,500 to 3,000 AGL.
My idea is that as soon as the plane hits this last point and is vectored onto final approach, their airport and runway should be ID'd by the pilots, by the controllers, and potentially by the plane itself with both audible and visual feedback on the display.
Those straight shot approaches are the easiest ones, not only to fly, but also to provide logic for creating audible/ visual feedback.
As easy as these straight shit approaches are, these highly-publicized wring airport landings were exactly these 'easy' straight-in approaches that lull the pilots into complacency.
Trickier are the approaches with last minute turns onto one or worse two or more runways. Eg. The Canarsie approach to JFK's 13R and 13L, (which was the scene of a go-around that almost led to an Aerogal to crash into a JetBlue plane taking off, when the Aerogal turned toward the wrong runway). Planes travel along the same corridor until the last point when planes turn right to one or the other of two parallel runways.
The best solution would have the runway clearance sent to plane from tower. Any deviation from the cleared approach would ve alarmed.