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2 F-16C Falcon jets collide/crash in Va. during training

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Officials are trying to figure out how two F-16C Falcon aircraft collided on Thursday night off the coast of Chincoteague, Va. The F-16C jets were assigned to the 113th Wing D.C. Air National Guard and were part of a routine training mission off the coast of Chincoteague, Va. late Thursday night when they crashed, say officials. (www.wusa9.com) More...

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canuck44
canuck44 7
Two for two on survival...thankful.
7765goldman
Pete Goldman 4
Good to hear no deaths.
Former 113th flight surgeon in the F-105 days.
num1tailhooker
We have learned nothing about mid-airs since the first one.
FAcarole
It's interesting to me that the hoist procedure requires a crew member to steady the cable... Sometimes there's just no substitute for the human element.
canuck44
canuck44 3
With the wash from the rotor there is a lot of torsion on the load...horse collar, basket, stretcher, harness, net or cage. There is also a lot of sideways action and the human element is needed to keep the load from banging on the side of the aircraft injuring load and/or the aircraft and stopping any spin at the door level then pulling the load in the open door. The old basket stretchers were very subject to spin without a stabilizing rope.

When hoisting from solid surface and with an individual on ground, the motion can be controlled with a trailing line, not a practical solution in water pick ups. The pilot's role is to remain steady as long as the load remains below the hoist or to move away to keep it from under the aircraft by sliding up wind...team work by the entire crew. As someone who spent many trips up and down a SeaKing hoist, I quickly learned that my final job was to take the entire crew to the mess to "splice the mainbrace".
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 4
Be careful when you splice the main brace, you might need to mend and make clothes.

(I bet most aviators have no idea what we are talking about.)
canuck44
canuck44 2
You are so right with the exception of those aviators who served on ships. When I was the doctor on HMCS Preserver I had the dubious honor of being the officer supervising the last issue of morning grog at which point the ships was permitted to store only enough of the 154 proof rum should the occasion arrive to "splice the mainbrace" on two or three occasions, usually in conjunction with visits by royalty or some type of heroic effort by the entire ship's company.

"Make and mend" came to represent time off from work except for watch keepers, but the original lore going back to the Royal Navy was as you suggest time to repair or clean one's kit. We cannot imagine the hardship of doing so with limited resources of water, soap or anything that removed stains on ships with no electricity.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 2
Thanks for your comments Mr Donaldson, and your Time sir.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I at least hope they understand the sun being over the yardarm.
FAcarole
Hah! A most important job, indeed. :-)
JojoMugz
Amazing it doesn't happen more often with how close in formation they can get in some parts of a training mission. It only takes a little rough air to send two planes that close, into each other's flight paths.
siriusloon
siriusloon 2
When they're that close together, the same "rough air" affects both aircraft equally. I was fortunate to have a ride with the Snowbirds some years ago and they said that it's actually safer to fly *really* close together than just close because they move together.

When aircraft are flying together in formation, no "rough air" can possibly throw one aircraft into the flight path of the other without affecting the other one, too. Redirecting one into the flight path of the other doesn't happen from turbulence.
7765goldman
Pete Goldman 1
No doubt Joe and more so at nite. The "burble" is often the cause = turbulence from crossing into the exhaust of the guy in front of you.
pacer9
seems to me training needs more of a boost
7765goldman
Pete Goldman 1
More likely the burble.
LordLayton
sequester rustiness?
silverzdfltrack
Bob Ziehm 1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Two F-16s Collided Last Night. Here's Raw Footage of the Rescue.

Last night, two F-16 fighter jets collided during a training mission off the coast of Chincoteague, Virginia. One pilot had to eject into the sea at about 10:30PM. Here's the captivating raw footage the Coast Guard pulling him out of the water to safety.

http://gizmodo.com/two-f-16s-collided-last-night-heres-raw-footage-of-th-1002465473?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
btweston
btweston -3
...woops

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