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Cockpit error sent 737 into Pacific nose dive

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Oh! Someone gets to sit at the big table .... and he's the one without the glass of water. The knobs are not even close in shape or size. (www.cbsnews.com) More...

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chicoaggie
Tim Smith 0
wow, i bet that was a fun flight to be on...belly up in a 737...damn!
padgettrea
Uhm, Miss. I seem to have spilled my drink.
shattuckb02
Shad Bell 0
I bet the ANA pilots can't wait to test out the aerobatic capability of their shiny new 787!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
HUHHHHHHH???
umcima1964
guy lever 0
yikes....
runway18escanaba
hopefully he didnt make his own lavatory
preacher1
preacher1 0
Old news. FA had a story on in and close to 100 comments when it first happened a few weeks back. what can be said except the FO #$%^&* up bad.
flyingcookmosnter
"Ladies and gentleman, this is your captain speaking, Ya know, I just always wanted to do that."
sheka
mark tufts 0
i wonder if th co-pilot peed his pants
Kawaiipoint2
Kawaiipoint2 0
very misleading title..
FedExCargoPilot
Very inappropriate title, I thought a 737 actually crashed into the pacific! That would be awful! You scared me !!
bogberto
bogberto 0
"The knobs are not even close in shape or size." Correct: rudder pedals look nothing like a door handle. Most likely, the FO inadvertantly kicked a pedal quite hard while trying to unlock the door without getting out of his seat. Next time, if he gets a next time, he'll stand up first.
Kawaiipoint2
Kawaiipoint2 0
it was the rudder trim knob which is actually located near the cockpit door unlock knob in 737's
Stephenb84
Stephen Boyle 0
That will build the Captains confidence in the F.O. I bet bathroom breaks by the Captain with that F.O. will be no more.
chaseperf
Charlie Welch 0
Was he trying to open the door with his foot? I smell BS in this story!
appaloosa
Kerry Duckett 0
Me too, Charlie. I hope he'll have to do a SIM Demo.
kdog1839
david kuhn 0
It was the rudder TRIM knob! Which is next to the door lock/unlock.
TWA55
TWA55 0
Glad all turned out well....maybe they can sell the BA how to survive a crash course
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 0
Too much sushi the night before.
smoki
smoki 0
Whether it was an unintended rudder input by the CP as he stretched from his seat to reach the cockpit door or an inadvertent actuation of the wrong cockpit control, I seriously doubt it involves a "murphy" in the design and layout of cockpit controls given the history of rudder problems with the 737 which resulted in record setting lengthy and exhaustive investigation into the causes of at least two fatal crashes: US Air 427 at Pittsburg in 1994 and United 585 at Colorado Springs in 1991. Both crashes involved uncommanded full rudder deflection that exceeded lateral control power at the time when the airplanes were slowed down on final approach for landing.

The airplanes suddenly and unexpectedly rolled to an inverted nose down attitude from which there was no recovery for lack of sufficient altitude. In both cases the cause of the crash was determined to be a faulty rudder actuation system that also produced rudder reversal (rudder deflecting opposite to input) which must have confounded the flight crews as they wrestled in vain to recover. Boeing supposedly corrected the problem.

I think it's fair to say that this ANA mishap involving another 737 is not a recurrence of that airplane's serious rudder problem of the past otherwise we would have heard an entirely different story.
acapulco1946
Mike Thornton 0
What buton to you hit to turn a 737 upside down
Mike Thornton
acapulco1946
Mike Thornton 0
What button do you push to turn a 737 upside down?
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 0
The panic button.
jeffking45
jeffking45 0
Just curious, are controls in a 737 in Japan printed in English or Japanese? If knobs are in English, this could be a problem in a dark or stressful cockpit.
airborneryder
airborneryder 0
holy cow! Thankfully it didn't crash! I wonder if the passengers thought they were actually going to crash. I would have peed my pants!
linbb
linbb 0
Glad that it made a nose dive not a tail dive.
jcr31047
Robert Duke 0
Shouldn't the story title be "Pilot Error"? Cockpit only does what it is told to do....
mx662c
Bathroom Door Switch "OPEN"
Aircraft Roll Switch "ON"

Hummm; is it, Pilot returns "OPEN ON" or is it "ON OPEN" ... where is my checklist?
P3cwst
Wow! The rudder roll maneuver works well on the B-737 just like any aircraft.
dbiern6900
dbiern6900 0
Maybe there was a third knob involved...???
tartarus12
Robert Curley 0
If he was cruising at 37k at 450kts he is lucky he didn't rip the rudder right off. That's why flight 587 went down that was during takeoff.
preacher1
preacher1 0
587 was an Airbus. Go Boeing.lol
B650
CC AA 0
Oh My god see thats why I always fly Japan Airlines intead of all nippon
noah0705
Noah Watson 0
GuyCooper
GuyCooper 0
some folks will do anything for a cool Facebook post.......
noah0705
Noah Watson 0
GuyCooper ur special
jicaro
The small knob aft is conected to the secure door release, and the BIG KNOB, is connected to the rudder trim>*&%^$%*# wow what a mess up glad they recovered it
montyw47
John Tyler 0
Miss I wet myself!
num1tailhooker
"ANA said Thursday that the co-pilot is believed to have mistakenly hit the rudder controls instead of the door lock to allow the pilot back in the cockpit." This is totally ludicrous. Am I supposed to believe that a trained copilot would mistake the rudders for the door handle? The rudders are on the floor; the door handle is behind him and belt level. The airline is simply trying to save face and not disclose the actual events. Our only defense is to not fly ANA until they tell the truth.
preacher1
preacher1 0
@Lucio: I haven't been in a 737 lately but in the 757 and 67, there is a rudder trim KNOB and one for the door lock; they are about 3-4" apart but as one comment said here, they are nowhere near alike. That being said, as you say pedals are on the floor. It is a good stretch back to the door handle though which is why the knob, one of them 911 things.
num1tailhooker
This is totally ludicrous. Am I supposed to believe that a trained copilot would mistake the rudders for the door handle? The rudders are on the floor; the door handle is behind him and belt level. The airline is simply trying to save face and not disclose the actual events. Our only defense is to not fly ANA until they tell the truth.
genethemarine
Gene spanos 0
Oh sooooooooooooo
Sosueme!!!!
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 0
Nothing against the Japanese airlines, but Im glad it didnt happen here. I dont think our media and litigous little world we live in could tolerate something so damned stupid, which is all this mistake was...stupid.
chessmaster22
Reginald Blue 0
Just goes to show ya that pilots should "fly" the aircraft sometimes, instead of vnav, lnav, cup o joe.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Reginald: At FL350 and 450kt, that's where I would want the AP on. As Chris said above, it was just a very stupid mistake.
kcpilot210
Kenneth Clark 0
The rudder controls last I checked were no where near that red guarded switch that you trip to open the door!!! Maybe they meant rudder pedals??
kcpilot210
Kenneth Clark 0
Last I checked the rudder controls are no where near the red guarded switch that unlocks the door?? Maybe they meant he hit the rudder pedals???
Yazoo
Yazoo 0
OK...Once again. It was not the rudder pedals. It was the rudder trim knob on the aft center control pedestal. It was not the door knob, or the red guarded door on/off switch. It was the electric door unlock/deny switch also on the aft center pedestal. Instead of holding the door unlock switch in the unlocked position (spring loaded to off) he held the rudder trim knob adding rudder trim until the aircraft auto pilot could not longer hold the cross control with the ailerons.
t1sby
Tim Bray 0
Thanks for the numerous corrections,since no one is reading the previous ones. This one was a little more detailed and worked for me. Thanks, I will pucker up any time I see a Pilot exit the Cockpit during flight now. Hopefully his COP is aware of the issue, and PROPERLY trained on his controls.
appaloosa
Kerry Duckett 0
Yaw Damper?, AP? Roll Rate Recovery? B737?
Kerry Duckett
appaloosa
Kerry Duckett 0
Yaw Damp? AP? Roll Rate Recovery? B737??????
JLLOYD1948
JAMES LLOYD 0
Imagine sitting on the toilet and pushing the flush button at the very moment the plane goes belly up. "Ah Stewardess, you really need to fix the toilet."
simsericson
Simon Ericson 0
That pilot has not the job still i think
ikele76
This could have been really bad Thank god they knew enough to get it back to level or this could been another Air France I thought all pilots were trained on using the rudder in recovering from a upset since they had the rudder problem on the 737 maybe he was just slow.

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