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Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using Singapore Airlines 68?

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As the search for missing flight Malaysian Airlines flight 370 drags on into the 10th day, so many questions continue to remain unanswered about how and why the airliner could have disappeared while seemingly under the control of a skilled pilot intent on making it invisible. With satellite pings showing where the plane could be after more than seven hours of flight, speculation has arisen that the plane could be on the ground anywhere along a path from northern Thailand to the border of… (keithledgerwood.tumblr.com) More...

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joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Now that is an interesting twist....
AABABY
FRANK MARTINOLI 2
Outside the box thinking for sure. Looks like something to follow up on for the search group.
kegboyau
Peter Gregg 1
I am a amateur in this but if the Maldive report is correct could the plane be navigated there like they did before all the new navigational equipment of today. ie maps compass or like
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
The Makaysians relayed that their counterparts in the Maldives denied that the plane flew through their airspace. None of the eyewitness accounts involved actually seeing the airliner livery, nor really knew the size of the airplane. They mostly saw lights from sone unknown plane (unknown to them, but jot necessarily unknown to the Maldives authorities).
kegboyau
Peter Gregg 1
The Maldives I believe still belong to India, wouldn't they do what other countries have done and use the old saying "I saw nuthing"
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
The Maldives have been independent most of their history*, and are independent today.

But I get your point on 'see nothing, say nothing'.

*except when part of Portuguese and/or British Empires in years gone by.
jpcooper
Peter Cooper 2
Probably a bit too late now but should we be re-tasking some satellites to have a look at all airfields in this region capable of accepting a 777 ?
AABABY
FRANK MARTINOLI 2
If the CIA can read a license plate in D.C. you'd think a jetliner would be easy pickin'
avihais
Martin Haisman 0
Except there are no cameras on big tall posts that rogue airliners drive by. As per thinking outside the box - consider this thought I live by - Why limit yourself with a box, use the spongy thing upstairs and start from there. Many theories and mass media speculation but so far A. an airliner stopped broadcasting its transponder signal on civilian radar. And B. someone broadcasted on radio frequency "all right good night". Media says:

Travelled 4 hours, 5 now 7 turned, didn't, turned through 5 waypoints, landed, did not, went to 45,000ft, did not, went to 0 feet, went to 26,000 ft., shadowed another airliner, could not, oil slick, not oil slick, military radar, not, military blip no one cared about (really military not caring about unidentified blip? must go back to that box)

It's a low blow for families about the unknown but better only the truth then living in hope being fed by media rubbish.

Did MH370 do what...sells some pretty good headlines and website advertisement hits.
AABABY
FRANK MARTINOLI 2
I wasn't referring to security cameras. I was referring to high resolution satellite photos.
avihais
Martin Haisman 3
Fair enough but the there was only one satellite in the area and not the type that can read dimples on a golf ball.
jdr999
Jeff Reader 1
Surely any sensible security agency would be doing this covering the area and range that the aircraft is capable of covering. The risk of a large aircraft being intact in the wrong hands does not bear thinking about.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
That assumes that the recorded fuel load was correct.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Roland, are you suggesting the record may have been falsified? Wonderful conspiracy theory fodder. Care to elaborate?
jdr999
Jeff Reader 1
Very good point ! If crew involved, any land based records are likely to be compromised.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Well Joel..the last time this company had a system check.. a complete audit was 1996. Not really seeking to say it was deliberate but I am wondering why the plane did not climb out right away...something was going on in the flight deck for an extended period.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
That could support the 'fire in the paint locker' and 'regime change/coup d'etat'. If the fuel load was signficantly different from that pubicly reported, I'd think the flight crew must have been aware of the weight difference with all that entails.

Good to see you are around.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Thanks for the comment. Yeah I am 60 years old now...my days are pretty much done. But they hung around at 17.5 for a heck of a long time then climbed up to cruise alt and then the transponder was off...end of that line of track...
grahamamanley
Graham Manley 1
Can any of the many professionals comment as to why the ADS-B last contact with this flight, per flightaware tracking, appears to have been at 01:02 when it reached 35,000 feet, well short of the Malaya coast whereas the somewhat confused reports by the Malayan authorities and media show the ACARS and Transponder as having ceased transmitting somewhat later. at around 01:17. Like so much of what is reported on this flight, there seem to be masses of contradictory evidence.
rxcw43
rxcw43 1
One problem with this is the TCAS and transponders work in conjuction.
You can't have TCAS monitoring traffic without having your own transponder on as well - so the crew of MH370 could *not* use thier TCAS to locate and approach SIA68 without being "seen" by the TCAS on SIA68.
If you don't belive this, go to Avionics school...
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Fits in with a largely Chinese and Malaysian passenger manifest that any large group of hijackers on that flight would naturally be Asian. So an end point in Asia would make sense.

That the disclosed last possible plane location by satcom analysis is close to areas where Chinese Muslim separatists are operating may not be a coincidence.
danielhealy1997
Daniel Healy 1
I heard a much more reasonable explanation, a fire of some kind maybe electrical
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
If any of the debris off the coast of Australia prove to be part of the missing MH370 plane, then they'll disprove this shadow theory.

If none of the south Indian Ocean debris is proven to belong to MH370, then a shadow theory would remain alive.
rogermanley
Roger Manley 1
Exactly my initial thought, Graham (no relation). I assumed that Flight Aware cut the feed to restrict information. Would they please clarify?
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Mr Cincy's theory makes sense to me. I have to say many of you seem unaware that unidentified and false flag manned aircraft fly around often or under GA rules... and that is without the military drones. I grant you this was a civil aviation passenger flight with a logged flight plan but I gather Malaysia does not have a rigorous procedure in applying aviation rules. The last security check was documented in 1996. The only machine capable of tracking this flight is an AWACS and even then if this machine was closely shadowing the Singapore they would have been invisable. Even if it was detected do the surrounding countries have capable military interceptors? (we have a max 10 minute response time in W Europe) A B777 is worth stealing and a lot of planning went into this event. Once an aircraft is 150 miles offshore it is alone to civilian radar. The only reason an AWACS would be interested would be if the target was a threat...most countries don't go looking for trouble unless a dispute is in progress. Well known examples are/were the rendition flights made by the CIA. I don't think the USAF or NATO were quick to intercept those. Many countries tried to catch 'em mind you but they all failed.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Transcript of R/T verbatim

http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/linked/email/alert/40873/

I was wrong....there was no delay in expediting the climb to 350
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I'd be interested in your information source to corroborate.
ExCalbr
Victor Engel 1
Maybe you need it for initial spotting, maybe not (depending upon the weather, there might be a nice contrail pointing the way). After that, just keep it in sight visually.
magicelle78
Ella Talbott 1
I'd imagine too that SIA68 is a daily flight and I'm sure whoever planned this had it all nutted out including the intercept behind SIA. Remember, the captain had a sophisticated simulator in his home whereby he can plan and practice this down to a fine art. He has years of flight knowledge and experience so if anyone were to be politically mined and have the desire and opportunity, it was one or both of the flight crew.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
A senior captain with years of experience and thousands if hours in the cockpit, with a love of flying, doesn't need an excuse to build a sim in his home. In fact, it's a sign of a man that takes his craft seruously and web has a passion for it.

The presence of the sim doesn't prove nor disprove the SIA 68 shadowing theory.

However, the satellite pings from MH370 can be compared with the pings of SIA 68 and any other aircraft in the air at that time, as well as the active and passive radar imaging of these aircrafts, to determine if it were POSSIBLE for MH370 to shadow SIA68 or any other flight, or combination of flights. I'm sure that intelligence agencies have look into that possibility. Just don't expect them to announce their findings publicly. They would brief the president and/ or leader of their respective countries.

That info would likely impact how countries deploy their own S&R resources but don't expect them to explain their methods.

And as far as knowing the track of SIA68, anyone with a computer, tablet or smartphone can look up the paths of this flight or any other via web services or apps that are widely distributed. But why would they initiate a shodow maneuver in an area with radar coverage. Someone who truly wanted to be stealthy, might prefer to pick up another flight while outside of radar coverage areas. Though expediency may lead one to do what is possible rather than ideal.
Derg
Roland Dent 2
Yup...had 35 years and over 30K hours. I think this machine has a 13 hour endurance with a full fuel load. Certainly diverted public attention away from the Crimea crisis.
magicelle78
Ella Talbott 1
Can't be. According to "official statements", MH370 was tracked for 7 hours. I understand though that anything is possible and to be honest, after 9/11 BS official story, how can we truly believe everything we are ever told. Until we find the plane, everything is just speculation.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Right on Ella.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 0
It's all so very easy to conjure up every kind of fiction and hon one's skills at the expense of grieving families !
I wonder how far it may be fair !
Or do I read it all wrong ?
jamaritugimin
JAMARI TUGIMIN -3
I KNEW WHERE THE MH370 LANDED, JUST WAIT FOR FEW DAYS NEWS. I JUST INFORM THE POLICE IN THAT COUNTRY TO NAB THE PILOT AND CO-PILOT. THEIR MOTIVE IS POLITIC AND NOT RANSOM. THE PILOT IS FANATIC TO MALAYSIAN OPPOSITION LEADER WHICH WAS SENTENCED TO 5 YEARS JAILED BY COURT FOR SODOMY OFFENCE.
grahamamanley
Graham Manley 3
Given todays announcements regarding the satellite tracking analysis which places the flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean, for your claim of knowledge about this flight to have any credibility, you need to provide details (country, location, etc.) that can be verified.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
graham...FGS man..can ANYTHING be verified?
grahamamanley
Graham Manley 1
Probably not - there has been so much contradictory information put about regarding this event that conspiracy theories will abound for years. At this stage, even if wreckage from the aircraft is found, only recovery of the FDR and CVR might reduce speculation about what actually happened. I guess photographing the aircraft parked on a remote runway might be a verifiable event ! I will not hold my breath waiting for that however.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Plenty of meat to chew if you want reasons....lots of stuff going on right now.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
How did you know, when did you know and why are your shouting? Does the juxtaposition of the conviction and aircraft disappearance imply a spur-of-the moment decision, or was the disappearance planned in advance. We are sitting on our respective chairs with bated breath quivering in anticipation for your next revelation!
Derg
Roland Dent 1
The way humanity is...the way truth is often much stranger than anything we can think up in fiction..this could well be the truth. My line of thinking at the moment is that this weekend has been busy in the Crimea. Now this is a theory but Chinese assets have been diverted to look for this aircraft. The media has had plenty to do...Chinese marine has been dispatched and satellites have been tweked to look in this area which is a long way from China's usual places of defence. Who knows?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Sort of like 777 flagship of the new "Air Crimea SSR" domestic flights to Moscow a specialty?
Derg
Roland Dent 2
Well...I would not refuse a gift of a tripple 7..I mean..strip that down and ship to FL and you can expect to live well for a long time.
AABABY
FRANK MARTINOLI 1
Only if you can manage to avoid all the angry relatives, Roland.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Or their lawyers if they get US jurisdiction....
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Yeah..but Chinese lives are cheaper than lives in the West. The nature of humanity..
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Cannot see how that can happen joel...were there any USA cits on that flight?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
MH370, yes, Singapore 88 don't know.
That is beside the point, if a lawyer can leverage some way to generate billable hours, it will.

BTW, on your earlier comment about about being done youngster, just received my Medicare card today- I have a few years on you. 8-)
Derg
Roland Dent 2
I thought you were around 25...amzn
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Not with my intimate acquaintance with the 'itis' family.
But thank you anyway.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Actually I would've guessed 50-55 range. There was certainly the wisdom of age, but it has been balanced well by youthfulness of spirit.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
most welcome..

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