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SKorea rejects Boeing, says F-15 not good enough

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South Korea on Tuesday rejected Boeing Co.'s bid to supply 60 fighter jets in the country's largest-ever weapons purchase even though it was the sole remaining bidder, and said it would reopen the tender. (news.yahoo.com) More...

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canuck44
John Donaldson 3
Stealth is a trade off on performance and price. Then there is the factor as to how much stealth does a country need when the main targets are only about 200 miles away (Chinese border from Seoul in the West), the terrain is mountainous and the attacker has electronic jamming and deception available? This would seem to be either a negotiating maneuver or the generals wanting more sophisticated toys than needed.
Derg
Roland Dent 2
Well Phil I got the slitty eyes, yellow skin and the high cheek bones of a typical Slav from central/east Europe. The handicap I have is trying to understand the hate that people have agin others.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
preacher1
preacher1 1
Give 'em the F35 and tell them to play with the big dogs if they are going to bark like one
Derg
Roland Dent 1
All you guys on lay overs I got 4 hours of riveting entertainment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtyH9sAXUc
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Even though they are probably bargaining with money supplied by the US, it just reinforces the statement that $ don't buy friends or favor for very long. Lol
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
If they want a newer fighter than the F-15 with their small budget, they should consider that new Cesna fighter.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Wayne you lost 3000 in NYC on 9/11 under circumstances that are incredible. I want no more slaughter. I am a product of WW2. I want no more legalised murder. When I say incredible I mean just that..like so many others.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
So who are the competitors? Could that be Sukhoi?
pwhitcomb
Parker Whitcomb 1
"F-15 not good enough" Granted it is getting a little long in the tooth, but the F-15 is one of the greatest fighters ever made and in my book has reached legendary status. Wikipedia says USAF is looking to keep F-15s around until 2025, so they must still fit the bill. If they don't want it, I'll take one! Don't like our stuff, go somewhere else then!
upchucked
C. WESLEY GRADY 1
It's their dollar, they can buy what they want. If they feel the F-15 is not giving enough bang for their buck, they are free to rebid or simply purchase something else.With a teen-aged ego maniac at the nuclear button 200 miles away, they have every right to want the most they can get. If we were suddenly faced with nuclear weapons in Cuba, would we anchor our defense with a squadron of F-15S
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, in reality, it ain't their $. It is ours. With the massive input of US $ and boots on the ground, they will buy what we want them to buy. This just goes back to that culture/status thing so the hogs at the trough can make the impression to the underlings that they have some power.
Roland, you talking about holding out 3 days til the cavalry gets there; granted, more would come and quickly, but the cavalry is there and American blood would be shed that first day anything happened
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Has that got the stealth attribute?
Derg
Roland Dent 1
All they need to do is add say 3 F-35s to this fleet and they are set. They only have to hold out 3 days anyway until the cavalry would arrive. There are already 22K USA military based in S Korea. No.. this is just nonsense and some could argue it is provocation. It is true that N Korea is an unstable and dangerous player but they are not standing alone.
islandbird
Just the French fighter Rafale from Dassault!
preacher1
preacher1 1
One big difference though, is that these folks, for all their Boeing bluster here, are looking for it. As with our younger generation, a lot of theirs weren't born until well after the 50's but there are still enough of the old heads around that remember. After WW2, we had nobody on our soil until the 1st WTC attack but it took 9 1 1 to really drove it home and we must make the case nw and accept that a lot of these fringe groups will follow us home and set up housekeeping in our midst. Not Pretty.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Yeah there was a time when the US dollar was the only currency that was universally accepted. I did some sales work at trade shows...the guys from the old E Bloc and Russia all wanted to pay in US dollars. The company I worked for were so arrogant they expected the world to pay in UK pounds. That was 18 years ago...not sure how they trade now.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
They want a lot, but don't want to pay for it. If they've got a Cesna budget, they should look at the Cesna.

If they want stealth in a new fighter, they should open up the piggy bank like everyone else in the consortium that is paying through the nose for the F-35.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
With 22k pairs of boots on the ground, I can't believe that they'd insider giving the business to any other ally, or even to a N Korea supporter (past or present). Can't believe it's anything but a tough negation. (Maybe they elwant to save money, so that they will start contributing for having all those boots there to save their butts. ;)
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Well guys...the action is not going to start on the underside of a B2 or any other manned aircraft. They want us to believe it will. The oceans deep are where the action is and the AWACS will be the first warning. Conventional wars fine...but the end game does not involve the F-15. Maybe they know that.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
The problem many of us have is that we KNOW that the USA housekeeping was compromised on that day. The enemy is not who you think it is.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Dollar is still widely used. It is still the most widely used reserve currency.

Don't expect Russians and Brits to be using the Chinese yuan for trading any time soon. Although the Euro does have wide use on the continent. That was the point after all. It might also substitute in some transactions in "greater Europe" or rather, those nearby countries that still maintain their own currency (ruble, pound sterling), especially if one of the trading partners is based in a Euro country.

But your example with both non-Euro "greater European" trading partners. That's a tougher question. I wonder myself. The Euro isn't too popular in UK. Given the recent monetary concerns with the Euro, I'm sure they're finally feeling justified in their currency arrogance (and would want to hold or denominate their trades in Euros, lest the currency drastically change the slur of their trade overnight). I'd expect many Brits to still want pounds sterling.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
If you ever happen to inquire about 'how things are going' do let us know what currency(ies) is(are) still making the cut for them.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
"I'm sure they're finally feeling justified in their currency arrogance (and would want NOT to hold or denominate their trades in Euros."

Sorry, left out a crucial word.
Derg
Roland Dent 0
I see. That is not good news for the USA. They are formidable machines.
preacher1
preacher1 0
More of that oriental status/ego/culture. Same things that took down 214. I haven't eat my crow yet on the AA/USA merger cause it ain't a done deal yet and I won't shut up on this until the NTSB brings something out.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Unless there is ILS Wayne a lot of them get their panties in a bunch. That simple.