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"Out of an abundance of caution," American Airlines said Tuesday it would inspect 47 Boeing 757 airplanes after seats on two of the company's jetliners came loose. "Originally, American planned to evaluate the seats on eight Boeing 757 airplanes, but out of an abundance of caution, the decision was made to proactively evaluate a total of 47 Boeing 757 airplanes that have the same model Main Cabin seats with a common locking mechanism," company spokeswoman Andrea Huguely said… (www.cnn.com) More...

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suz
suz 16
Passengers wanting more legroom were seen w/toolbag ...
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
breaking news...lol
Quackers
Quackers 7
I wonder... if this was Spirit or another high add on fee airline, if they would charge you for "secure" seats vs loose seats?
SootBox
SootBox 1
Selling wrenches like headphones or mixed drinks.
chris13
Chris Bryant 3
I guess they can't afford the lock-washers that go with the bolts.
suz
suz 3
Maximum legroom please ...
khaiduk
Kevin Haiduk 3
Probably not publicity AA needed at this time.
Continental72
Fletcher Reister 2
Definitely would be max legroom when hitting some rough air and the whole row slides back into the people behind them. AA is just not having good days lately.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
"American Airlines plans to increase its use of outside maintenance facilities, including in China and other overseas locations, as it seeks to exit bankruptcy, he added." They don't make torque wrences in Chinese.
preacher1
preacher1 1
For what it's worth my friend, on this deal, they have said that this is not tied to any particular maintenace or labor group. Being as they have inspected a total of nearly 60 jets, and it is all one type seat, it may be those new ones they changed out here while back; the ones that were supposed to give mor legroom.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
preacher1
preacher1 1
Heck of it is, AA don't need this right now.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Sometimes things can be "set up". Once the press get an idea not beyond them to invent news.
Donovan16
Don Thomson 2
Ahhhh. Yet another bad hair day for AA's public image. I'm sure if it has AA on the label, the media feeding frenzy will chew it to pieces.

<Sigh>
preacher1
preacher1 2
This story is a continuation of another story posted about the first 2 planes it happened on.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Just in the FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH DEPT., there is another story on the main page that is a continuation of this in that AA grounded 8 B757's for this seat issue.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Probably ain't anything that hasn't happened to somebody else at some time in the past but given that AA is in the spotlight, it will make news. Can't blame that one on the pilots. Obviously a Quik Change that got changed too quick. It don't say the AC type but primarily 777's done at Alliance
vanstaalduinenj
Jon Van Staalduinen 2
Just keep unbolting them, FedEx will appreciate it when they buy them in next 2 years...
mattwestuk
Matt West 2
I wonder if this has anything to do with the new seats AA is installing on some aircraft? The type that does not recline but, quote, "pivots forwards and out". It allows them to fit 3 extra rows in a 737, so I imagine it would allow them to install about 5 in a 757. Not much good though if the darn things come out of the ground!

And, to quote from AA's own website "The airline is currently upgrading its fleet of 106 Boeing 757 aircraft for use on domestic routes. Enhancements to the domestic fleet include the installation of new seats"
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
things happen....most likely caused by their rush to get planes turned around during maint. since are trying to phase out their MD-80 fleet....less planes to take up the slack.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Unfortunately, you are correct. A burnt out lite bulb will now make front page news as Maintenance sabotage
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
I can hear Brian Williams now " And if the future of AA wasn't already dark enough a plane, a 757 to be more precise, was forced land with a blown landing light....We will take you the viewing public behind the scenes at this troubled airline as we interview the brave pilots"
preacher1
preacher1 3
lol. It would be real funny if it wasn't so damn sad & serious. The BR was bad enough but between the media feeding frenzy and all the labor issues, whether they can recover and have a viable airline or not remains to be seen.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
I am laughing that your name is preacher and you said "so damn sad and serious"....On a serious note I think they'll survive...I think they do a few more South American flights than the others....They'll probably probably also save on fuel and maint. after they have phased out most of those MD-80
preacher1
preacher1 3
Well, every now and then you got to say it like it is. Besides, I am also human and I get frustrated too. You are right on the SA but whether they can get rid of the MD's quick enough will remain to be seen. I'm thinkin' that most of that replacement stuff is still yet a ways out. It will be really interesting. You know, bad as it is and what a lot of folks fail to see, particularly on the maintenance, as bad as it is with the Alliance closure, Tulsa could have got some of that too if they had really wanted to divest themselves of maintenance. They may still yet do it but it looks like they would have done it all at once if they were going to.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
oh yeah buddy I was just kidding about the name and what you typed....hope I didn't offend you
preacher1
preacher1 2
don't give it a 2nd thought, my friend.lol
Donovan16
Don Thomson 2
<Laughing out loud> Love it !
Donovan16
Don Thomson 1
Reported from nbcnews.com/travel :

Rows of seats have come loose on planes in recent days, which the airline is investigating. Overnight, a group of engineers, tech crew chiefs and inspectors evaluated 36 Boeing 757s and plan to look at another 11. They found the root cause is a saddle clamp improperly installed on the foot of the row leg, said Andrea Huguely, a spokeswoman for the airline. The clamps were used on 47 of American's 102 Boeing 757 airplanes.

"This issue does not seem to be tied to any one maintenance facility or one working group," Huguely said.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Wayne..I have to tell you that it took me two whole days to find a 1 inch SAE socket for my tools. So what seems to be on the surface a ridicuolus situation could be down to some nugget in the office who send the machine off to a cheap fixer over on the asian side. It is not uncommon at all. It's all about planning and attention to detail. Now if you get some manager who is always on his mobile 'phone or watching youtube at lunch time...well...The techs in Europe use the Stahlwille brand and have full sets of metric and SAE...when I say Europe I mean Europe not some shack on an acre of slab in the Balakans with tools from the Sears 2008 catalogue.
mattwestuk
Matt West 1
As reported by the BBC today: The problem was caused by these refurbished seats being installed. I only hope that this problem won't affect any other aircraft that has been refurbished recently...

"The faulty seats had recently been refurbished"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19842774
pjtemplin
Pete Templin 2
Can someone explain to me why they'd divert/return for a problem like this? Yes, loose seats are unsafe, but the passengers were moved to other seats, and the flight's going to land somewhere anyway. The plane is already airborne, and in at least one case it had to land heavy, which presents other risks.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 4
Unsecured seats ARE a safety hazard , that is why ! Elementary , my friend , elementary !!
pjtemplin
Pete Templin -2
Thanks for a whole lot of nuthin'. I already acknowledged that they're unsafe, but the plane was already airborne, and was going to have to land regardless of destination. Overweight landings are a safety hazard, too, so what made the seats a higher priority?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, apparently, the planes was within limits for a heavy landing, and there is a lot of difference in distance between JFK and Florida. A lot could happen in that time. Pilots call. I wasn't there but apparently, according to the other link below, Maintenance was done at both AA and contract shops, and no mention of Alliance, which is where the layoffs are coming. It appears to be on seat type and they are inspecting 8 other birds with an AA strike team from Tulsa.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
nevermind; if you don't understand by now you never will
pjtemplin
Pete Templin -2
"The plane was within limits for a heavy landing" - WHAT? It was a heavy landing because it was above the MLW (maximum landing weight) for the aircraft. The only "limits" for a heavy landing are an upper limit of that which the plane can actually get off the ground, and a lower limit of MLW. If there were ~5 open seats (3 for the passengers vacated, plus two more to raid some seat belts), the seat could have been belted into its general area.
pjtemplin
Pete Templin -2
If I don't understand by now, it's because you haven't explained it well enough. Go take a hike.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
well evidently you know.....do you need cue cards to understand????
preacher1
preacher1 1
Actually, if you look at the specs, a 757 (most variants) can land at full fuel if necessary. Most pilots don't like to do it because it requires a hell of a lot more finesse` than they are used to, BUT, the 757 I think was the last built in that category that could do so. Most are equipped with it but fuel dump is an option on those, not standard. Everything above there FD is required because of MLW.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
know should be don't
Derg
Roland Dent 1
All of em are designed to land at 50% over max.....Goodrich gear..but thats a secret haha. The length of the runway is your business Wayne.
preacher1
preacher1 3
Now, maybe you the one needs to take a deep breath, my friend.lol
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
some people are just sad and so dense that they would argue with a wall.....taking that deep breath now.....woooosah...lol
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
because it could of been more than one row of seats....aside from the passengers being moved those seats could have become an airborne hazard if they would have become total loose with nothing holding them down.
pjtemplin
Pete Templin -2
The news reports have been clear: a row of three seats (is that a half-row?) was loose. If we say "it could be more than one row", then we can say "something else might break", and we'll never get a single plane off the ground. Look at ETOPS: just because one engine failed, doesn't mean the other engine will fail immediately.
siriusloon
siriusloon 1
Since they're "airplanes that have the same model Main Cabin seats with a common locking mechanism", they should have been on the first version of the to-do list, not added later so the airline can say, "Look, we're doing extra inspections, aren't we wonderful?"
Derg
Roland Dent 1
What the hell were the passengers doing to loosen the seats? Karma Sutra?
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 1
According to CNN there were two AA flights were seats came lose in the last few days.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, TWU is blaming it all on TIMCO at GSO. That sure as heck ain't a bangladesh parking lot type operation. It may be outsourced from AA but it ain't offshore and they have been there awhile.
MimosaDrive
MimosaDrive 1
You would think that the "abundance of caution" should have taken place when the seats were put in... BEFORE the planes were approved for flight. But maybe that's just me.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
A very wise and commendable decision . Infact this incident must work as an eye opener . ALL Airlines around the Globe must make it a standard practice to include these seat fastening systems in the " periodic check up " charts on monthly basis at the max.! Besides the visual/shake up inspection during cabin cleaning process.And both must be properly logged .
Quackers
Quackers 1
Everybody who said that AA is going to be in the crosshairs of the media is right. Yahoo running a front page spread of an AA flight that had a landing gear problem and had to return to Dallas , landed without incident.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
They were lucky they didn't hit a pocket and drop 1,000ft. Three heads would have turned into ceiling tile! It would have given a new meaning to the phrase..."Heads Up"!
Flightdog
Roger Curtiss 1
Another AA 757 was found today to have loose seats. What does that say about the "we inspected them all and everything has been fixed" announcement a couple days ago?

This sort of blunder is certainly not going to help this airline's present image. My how the mighty have fallen.
Derg
Roland Dent 2
Punters are too heavy for the design...the seats were not designed for 150kg porky piggy people.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I never heard that announcement. As of yesterday there were still flights being cancelled or delayed as they were inspected
preacher1
preacher1 1
National news said this morning that they now have found something besides seat clips; they are chalking it off to wear and spilled soda pop. Go figger. I really think it was all those new seats not being able to stand the rigors of air transport.IMHO
Derg
Roland Dent 1
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
since the fasteners were not installed properly it was most likely just due to the everyday vibrations caused the engines, landings, take-offs and turbulence.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Don't want to seem rude but does this mean that the FO has to do a seat check on every row before each trip?
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Mind you Coca Cola is a very effective bolt lube..can believe that.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Can't see the current management lasting much longer than a month. Obviously has been a complete morale breakdown.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
shouldn't be that hard; just smack the seats going down the isles...If you hear a rattle BINGO
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, I do know it's the best thing in the world to clean dirty battery terminals.lol
Roadtrip
John Stewart -2
That's what you get using unlicensed mechanics at a chop shop.
preacher1
preacher1 1
You need to call up and read the link below before you go off too far. It is a more detailed story; there are 2 planes involved; both American and contract maintenance but that the problem may be with the seat model itself. They are inspecting 8 other planes, all 757's with the same type seat and there is a strike team on the way from Tulsa AA to look them all over, so before you go to running your anti company union mouth, you need to read a little bit first!!!!!! Just Sayin'
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
Calm down buddy....take a deep breath....now release and say whoooosa...lol
rsmath
robert smathers 0
do we have 1,100 soon-to-be-laid-off ticked mechanics or what????? I can't believe 3 incidents in the last 2-3 days isn't related to some kind of mechanic union incident (jeopardizing AA just before being laid-off or doing it in sympathy to the airline pilot union).
SootBox
SootBox 0
American needs to capitalize on this... An ad with some winking stews... "American... our seats aren't the only thing loose around here!"
Donovan16
Don Thomson 2
LOL -- Would go down in roaring flames like these earlier great hits:

"We really move our tails for you." -- Continental, pre-1980
"Hi, I'm Cheryl. Fly me..." -- National, late 60's or early 70's
"The top banana in the west." -- Hughes Air West, with those hideous yellow airliners
"Up, up, and away" -- TWA

The double-entendre' was not lost on the snickering public.
preacher1
preacher1 1
You're sounding like a LUV pilot now.lol
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, TWU at Tulsa is blaming it all on TIMCO at GSO as that's where the new seats were all done. They farmed out that one big job, which would make sense for anybody to do and not disrupt their other maintenance schedules. That sure as heck ain't a bangladesh parking lot type operation. It may be outsourced from AA but it ain't offshore and TIMCO haas been there awhile and has a pretty good reputation, AND while they may be inseecting them all, they haven't found that they are all bad. This just bit them in the butt at a time not needed. It might have not even made the press if they weren't in the spotlight right now.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Those were the days...pre AIDS and penicillin worked well. Music was good and the summers were warm. Gas was the price of a packet of cigs...
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Wayne can I ask you how many pounds weight or correctly MASS is allocated to each passenger please? I work in kilos and 2,2 lbs is about 1 kilo.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, I think each airline has its own thing. As we were all private, I just used 250 and then added 200 for luggage as we didn't have any scale check in. Like I said earlier, we were never that heavy or anywhere near MTOW. There was a weight balance chart for the plane but the only time it ever came into play for the pax was takeoff/landing. Ours was bad different anyway with the corporate configuration anyway, and like I said, just never was a factor
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Loosing business to Aeroflot. USA can't match the Russian Cheerleader teams..CSKA.
Donovan16
Don Thomson 1
The male-chauvinist-pig in me is still alive and kicking. Wonder if they have a YouTube clip? Haven't seen 'em. YET.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
I don't want to be rude here but USAers are not small people. I am glad it was left to the captain to input the totals. Personally I weigh 145kg and I know I always stress what ever I sit in right to the limit. I have seen vids of USAers all packed in some A320s and compared to the EUR the size of you is more.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, you is a pretty good sized boy. If a man has a plane load of you, he probably needs to take a second look at his numbers.lol
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Oh hell YEAH go to you tube and use Russian Cheerleaders in the search engine....these were the gals I knew in the West back in 71 hahaha..all hapennin in Russia..big time!
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Haha..you becareful sayin I am a good size boy...haha..people will talk. Hahahah...just watching a few vids of Svetlana Kapanina here...great woman!
donhun1313
donhun1313 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

AA flight diverted after seats become unbolted

NEW YORK -

American Airlines is investigating why a row of seats came unbolted during a flight from Boston to Miami over the weekend, according to several reports

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/19682195/aa-flight-diverted-after-seats-become-unbolted#ixzz283VsSaTy


http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/19682195/aa-flight-diverted-after-seats-become-unbolted
sparkie624
sparkie624 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Seats come loose on American Airlines flight

Passengers already feeling the bumpy impact of a labor dispute at American Airlines had another concern over the weekend when a row of seats dislodged during a flight and prompted an emergency landing, the airline said on Monday.

A Boeing 757 from Boston to Miami carrying 175 passengers diverted to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport on Saturday when three seats in Row 12 came loose shortly after takeoff.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/travel/plane-seats/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29
JamesMcGinn
James McGinn 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

American Airlines Grounds Eight 757 Jets for Loose Seat Inspections

American Airlines has grounded eight aircraft after 2 flights were discovered to have loose seats on flights that flew the last few days.

http://airnation.net/2012/10/02/american-grounds-eight-757s-loose-seats/
zowen11
zowen11 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Third American Airlines Aircraft Experiences Loose Seats

A third American Airlines aircraft experiences loose seats in just one week.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/03/travel/american-airlines-problem/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
SangLe
Sang Le 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

More loose seats on American jets raise questions

American Airlines acknowledged Tuesday that seats came loose on a third flight in the past week, and at least one analyst says that could shake public confidence in the airline.

In response to the incidents, American spokeswoman Andrea Huguely said, the airline grounded 47 Boeing 757s with seats similar to those that shook loose during flights.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2012/10/02/american-perception/1608739/