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Reports: Boeing poised to land blockbuster United order

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Boeing is poised to win a multibillion dollar order from United Airlines, according to several news reports that have surfaced during the past 24 hours. (travel.usatoday.com) More...

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KauaiGolfer
KauaiGolfer 5
I hate to clue you guys in, but the individual airlines make all the decisions involving seats and interiors. The manufacturers have no control over them. Ask the mechanics who have to work on them, and ask pilots who have flown airplanes from both companies. The responses will be overwhelming in favor of the Boeing product.
EMTNytHawk
I find it interesting that United is now looking at Boeing narrowbodies after retiring all the old United-livery B737s and repainting / reusing the Ted A320s in their place. (Granted, this was long before the Continental buyout-merger). Having flown on both in United service several years ago, I will say the A320 felt a little roomier / more comfy than the 737 (though as some have already said, interior depends a lot on airline choice).

The big question to me is how many aircraft, both narrow and widebody, United has after the Continental acquisition and how many of both types need replacing. Not to mention how much of the "United" service you see out there is actually being done by feeder airlines (Mesaba, SkyWest, All Wisconsin, etc) with RJs, and if that will be expanded.
4TimKing
4TimKing 2
Merged airlines need to quickly get to a single maker fleet in order to reap the benefits in maintenence cost savings. That United has taken this step with Boeing says much about future orders. It also indicates that United has come to the realization that Airbus has no real truly useful jumbo for an American flag carrier.
toolguy105
toolguy105 2
Winning the narrow body order and losing a wide body order, even for far fewer planes, would not be the greatest of wins for Boeing. The narrow body plane is not the profit maker the wide body planes are. Far few of them are need to be sold to make the same profit that 200 narrow bodied planes provide.

I would think Boeing sales is smart enough to see something like this and hinge this order against an order for wide body planes which United will need to make. Now when they fully incorporate Continental planes with United including Continentals order for the 787 & Continentials newer 777 & 767 they brings to the fleet. United must decide if their planes that are much older and in need of replacement really need to be replaced. Keep in mid there is the order for 50 Airbus A350 a plane yet to be built or flown which need to be considered. Plus Both United and Continental had orders totaling about 100 planes for the 787.

So there is a question of, with 150 wide body mid size planes on order, does United need to order more wide bodied aircraft at this time? I can see needing to replace the 747's currently in the fleet. Would United consider replacing them with A380's or would they consider the 747-8?

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toolguy105
toolguy105 1
You could be right although ther are some routes that I believe the 747 capacity is required an profitable. Mostly on thevAsian Pacific routes. Doing away with the 747 could require adding additional flights for less profit.
4TimKing
4TimKing 1
The A-380 is worthless to an American flag carrier. There are less than a dozen airports in the US equipped to handle the 380 on a day to day basis. In this day and age you can't be buying aircraft that can only fly two or three of your routes.
tjhberman
Thomas Berman 3
15 years is about one half of the average age of a United airplane.
toolguy105
toolguy105 1
The A380 if purchased would be used on International flights now flown out oh SFO, ORD & LAX. Of them I believe only SFO might have a problem. Otherwise it is simply a gate remodled.
4TimKing
4TimKing 1
SFO isn't ready for the 380 yet, but there are virtually no places to abort or divert a 380 flight in the US. If you can't land in ORD, LAX, JFK, BOS, IAD or ATL you are out of luck.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Well ya can..but the tyres would bust.
toolguy105
toolguy105 1
I'm no fan of Airbus or the A380 but the A380 can land anywhere the 747 can land. The problem comes in on the ground with taxiways and gate handeling. Example the alternate for the A380's into IAD is BWI. IT can land there but must be parked at the deice station at the end of the runway as the taxiways are below grade level for the outboard engine. BWI. Would use gate buddies to deplan passengers.
4TimKing
4TimKing 1
Can't get it in PHL for some of the same reasons. But ask yourself if you want to spend hundreds of millions of $$ on planes that you can't use anywhere in your route structure. Hell, you can use the 747-8 for larger charters off the normal route structure but the A-380?? I'd rather be trying to put Concorde back in the air. It would make as much sense.
toolguy105
toolguy105 1
Sorry Ronalld the tires don't burst. BWI's main runway is 2 miles long and any airport that handles a 747 has a runway of at least that length. More than sufficient for almost anything flying. BWI has hosted the Russian cargo plane which is the largest plane flying. The park it on one of the deice pads. If the runway length is long enough and thick enough to accommodate the 747 you can land almost anything. Ground handeling is the major problem. In an emergency you don't worry about ground handeling.

By the way my son is a paramedic/firefighter at BWI and he has seen all 3 planes mentioned land at BWI. This is how I can state this factually .
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
Go United... Buy American and support Americans...
pilot62
Airbus builds crap....REALLY, you've never flown enough to know. A320 first class seats and coach blow away all 737 versions period, sorry.....
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Yeah we all know that they are good at making stuff look good..it is the stuff you cannot see that worries most.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Not withstanding the A380 of course...one look at that and you can see the she never will be at peace with nature.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 1
We dont decide the seats or the arrangement .. the customers do.
chalet
chalet 1
Oh, yeah. Seems like you never saw, forget about rode 10+ hours in "economy". Yeah, airlines economize on everything.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 2
Yep and it confirms. Yes the A320 is wider but the CUSTOMERS still choose the 17 to 171/2" seats.

Customers decide.
MichaelMcCarthy
Sparkie , if all the European airlines took that attitude and bought only Airbus products , how much business do you think Boeing would lose and how many jobs would the US lose ? . Air France operate 62 Boeing 777's . British Airways operate the world's largest fleet of 747-400's , 55 in total plus 52 777's , about 25 767's and numerous 737's . What goes around , comes around .
Try putting brain into gear before opening gob .
JonathanDavis
The great work avaiation workhorse just gets better. Boeing rocks!
chalet
chalet 1
This has the looks of not quite an additional order over and above the "slam dunks" Boeing orders placed by American, that Swedish order for 300, etc. which will would not materialize for several years to come until US Airwyas/American straighten out their finances but instead that United will get delivery of those aircraft.
pilot62
Ask some pilots ...they love em.
fche
Frank Ch. Eigler 1
One hopes UA will stay unbankrupt long enough to take delivery.
dbrooks84
David Brooks 1
The suggestion in the reports it will be entirely narrow body aircraft. I wonder if they are ordering the 737 MAX??

UA placed an order for A350 sometime ago. Wonder where it stands?
larmeyers
Larry Meyers 1
Would love to see our home-built flagship, the 747-8i fly United livery.

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Falconus
Falconus 3
Airbus and Boeing both build very high quality products. I personally like Boeings better, but that's mostly just a national pride thing.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 1
I like Boeing better too. But Im slightly biased.
MichaelMcCarthy
I can see that thoughtful intellectual types contribute to these august columns !!
alistairm
alistairm 1
You will NEVER, EVER get these folks to take off their Boeing blinders Michael. They are Airbus haters out of ignorance.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Alistair..now we both know where each of us stand on our personal favourites. Just to remind you, I personally have two all time faves. One is the B74 series and the other is the A34 series. Both of these get my undies wet. You cannot blame the USAers feeling somewhat peeved when AB practically pays them to buy the products. Companies like JetBlue make more money when the A320 machine is broken than when it is in service, such were the gaurantees given when they bought that fleet of A320s. There were reasons why the US authorities did not enact the unfair competition bill when that fleet was acquired. Have not worked out wht that was allowed to happen but I am sure there was some geopolitical stuff going on in the background. If you have any ideas please post em.
eagle763
John Hale 0
I think we will see this go thru with boeing. There's to much Continental influance to have a big Airbus order. GO UA
mpradel
Marcus Pradel 0
NC built 787?
MJFerris
Mike Ferris 0
Still not too much great news for the pilot need tho. It's largely a 73 order to replace old 75's and the airbus's. Word of mouth they are "falling apart." And yes, the A320 cabins blow away the united 73's interior... just sit 5hrs on united and see for yourself.
w7psk
Ricky Scott 0
Makes me feel all tingly inside just thinking about it :)
bishops90
Brian Bishop 1
It's SOUTH Carolina bro'.