The USAF is exploring options in its effort to reduce the amount of fuel used across its 4,693 aircraft fleet. With the recent price increase in oil, the Air Force is seeing a $1 billion increase in fuel cost for 2012. The Air Force is the largest energy user in the federal government, making 900 air mobility flights globally daily, including combat sorties. (www.aero-news.net) More...
Not to start a war, but more out of curiousity, I wonder how much fuel does something like a B-1 consume during an afterburner takeoff. I'm not advocating reducing operations, I prefer to have a well experienced and trained military.
I am going to just keep my mouth shut because the last time it all went horribly wrong...lol....Maybe if they combined some the C-130 loads and put them on larger planes like a c-17 or c-5 that could cut out some of there routes...also trucking most of there goods in the states would not be a bad option either and they could even use some of there closed bases as hubs....I also notice that when most bases fly training routes they usually use 3 aircraft at a time....reduce that number to two during nonesenstial training but also leave the option for the three aircaft formation at least once a month.
How much fuel does Air Force One burn on each flight? How about the fuel for all the accompanying aircraft? Only 17 vacations on Air Force One @ $186,000/hr.
No, 1 trip to Hawaii for Xmas with the support planes for the extend family and close Friends[150] burns the same amount of fuel as all the people in Los Angles county will use in a life time,1 Trip marry Xmas ,It's Good to be a wanabe King.
Hey John, the facts are available at www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/0/obama-2010- I'll compare the current occupant of the White House to last anytime as it applies to wasteful use of Air Force One.
LOL - thanks for the link Richard. Turns out that while Obama took 172 flights in 2010, your boy Bush averaged 209 trips a year! So now who's the more wasteful?
Mike, I noticed you were careful to NOT post your source of that data. Having spent the last 30 minutes searching the net, I can't find anything to support your statement. Please post your source. If you say Huffington Post, or Michael Moore, we'll know it's BS.
LOL; michell obummer takes the 2- 747's to new York city twice a week shopping. Once a week on a hard earned vacation Whistler,the Hampton's Paris ,south beach etc etc etc. Oh don't forget the 2-747's to New York city for the dinner date's How romantic! Pres. Bush go's Texas for vacation The obummers and 150 close Friends and family go to Paris. Oh I forget the Pres.Bush & Larua take There Dog!
I wouldnt care if the pres rode AF 1 every day if he could get something positive done for the country. Haven't seen anything in 3 years and very little in the previous 8. The runaway freight train just keeps gaining speed. Wee wee
Made the French act in Lybia. (is that how you spell it?) They have a hell of a military air force too. First public offensive action since they withdrew in SE Asia in about '65 I think. Well regarded in EUR..haha, by me anyway.
They will sell the oil no matter what because they are greedy pigs just like the rest of the world. They also don't have much else to sell the market on sand and Persian rugs is flat. Lol
Sure, but they could always choose to sell it at a much higher price. It just goes back to choosing battles. We choose Libya becasue of the Oil. Desert Storm, act 1 and act 2, because of oil. Keeping oil rich nations in your back pocket only benefits. I am jsut wondering when you guys will invade Canada?? lol:)
I agree that a lot of the involvement there is because of oil. In reality there is enough oil in north and south America to supply this part of the world for a long long time. Price of oil doesn't really matter. It will get mined, sold, and consumed for generations to come. Partnering with Canada and taking Venezuela sounds more enticing to me. Plenty of targets of opportunity much closer than the middle east. Lol
thx for spelling. The problem with the USA..well with most USAers is that they think that there is nothing of any imnportance outside of the States. Most of the world 3/5 of it lives on less than $8 per day. Your leadership does not give a damn. The whole idea of capitalism is to get things going..all your guys do is use eco theory for the top 5% of your own population. You don't look after your own because your top folks are greedy selfish types. You have even got bubonic plaque in parts of Oakland FGS.
It is not that I have anything against the people in other countries. Every country has its unique culture and practices. That is what makes the world interesting. Trying to change everyone to adhere to laws and practices we accept is folly and wrong. For instance when we leave Afghanistan it will revert to its previous self instantly. Viet nam is another good example. Our military should be used when necessary for the purpose it was intended. That is not to change cultures that don't follow our laws or rules of behavior.
He mentioned profiteering. Apparantly he didn't do history. Pacific architects and engineers during Vietnam was huge and making hundred of millions. And who was a principle. Ladybird Johnson.
Ok, I'm sure we will. Goes with the territory when you're the HMFIC. In reality we have decades of this to blame on the entire (entyre) fab 535 from DC.lol too!!
It WAS his fault when he was the HMFIC. That ended over 3 yrs ago. What hasn't ended is the lame performance of the rest of the 535. It continues no matter who is pres.
Ya life was bad 4 years ago I didn't know what to do with all the money I was making,so I buried it in the back yard,Guss what? smartest thing I ever did! After obummer got done with the economy every body lost but me and my coffee can.
Yeah, that's correct. While we are driving around in show boxes, Mrs. Obama is using airforce 757's like taxi cabs. Some idiots still have faith in Obama.
Not that I don't mind A GOOD POLITACAL DEBATE but I always thought that this was a Aviation forum Why don't we come up with a solution for the Air Force with all the Very Intelligent Pilots in this group Just Don't tell the Fighter Jocks to slow down!
Dwight D. Eisenhower warned the U.S. in his closing address as President about the Military Industrial Complex over expanding and becoming too much of a debt burden on the GDP of the United States.
The U.S. now accounts for approximately 40% of the WORLDS global arms spending (yet we are only 5% of the World's population) and our Military spending is over 6 times larger than the military budget of China. Bush increased the military budget by 50% while in office. Our Navy currently spends more than the biggest 13 Navy’s of the World COMBINED.
Ya the Repugnant’s at their finest, keeping the Industrial Military complex intact so BIG companies get RICH-ER while small business & the middle class wilt & die!!!
Just as Eisenhower said when he left office The Military Industrial Complex is America's biggest problem. Our total military budget now is BIGGER than ALL the military budgets in the world COMBINED!!!!
Re Oil: The US uses 25% of the worlds oil & our Military uses 1/2 of that!!
The Military is the biggest reason for our debt PERIOD!!!
I'm showing my age, but this reminds me of the '73 oil embargo when Nixon made them slow down Air Force One's cruising speed. Wound up burning more fuel at the bottom line because the aircraft was in the air longer!
How much fuel does Air Force One burn on each flight? How about the fuel for all the accompanying aircraft? Only 17 vacations on Air Force One @ $186,000/hr.
Yeah, right, penny wise poung foolish. Saving a few cents here so that the Air Force can pay for the god-awful cost over runs in that lemmon called the F-35 and for its replacement that will cost several zillions in the 2020s and, also for .... lets see, ............ well there are so many wonderful things that the "patriotic" defense contractors are contriving now that our National Debt will continue climbing like a rocket.
Just recently an Air Force general nothing less explained to Congress that a new jet fighter "to complement" the F-35 has to be designed, built and delivered by 2020 (published in Aviation Week) and that the two of them are going to do wonders to the U.S. defense system. Also recently the Marines Commandant -who is a fighter pilot- said to Congress he did not know (or perhaps did not want to acknowledge) the final cost of the F-35. If a new toy has to be built pronto is because the current one is well short of the specs. In short an (expensive) lemmon
There she go's again! Come on, back on your MEDS remember you like the Red Kool-Aid with the blue pills. Hay chalet what's the ozone like somebody asked?
Your points on costs are well founded. That said I would rather spend it on airplanes than give it to countries like Venezuela so Chavez can line his bank account.
So right, James. When a profile of one these left wing fools is checked, it's always a student. No experience in life or the air.
The famous Winston Churchill was asked why he switched party affiliation from liberal to conservative. Mr. Chuchill stated that " if by the time a man is 20 he is not a liberal, he has no heart. But if by the time he is 40 he is not a conservative, he has no brain."
You might think it strange, Randy, but during the time we added 50%(I doubt that number) we were involved in crushing the greatest treat to our country since Hitler. Your plan would have been to beg for forgiveness from Islamists, bow to a few more near eastern dictators. Thank God we had "W" instead of that tree hugging wacko, Gore.
Your plan would be fund more wellfare, foodstamps, and healthcare for illegals, while being overrun by terrorists.
If The USA are such an evil place, Randy, I suggest you move to North Korea, Iran or Venezuela for the good life in the utopia of socialism.
If they need another billion dollars worth of fuel just take it from the money we give to countries we don't really like and who hate us. There are many of them and each one receiving multi billion dollar handouts from uncle sugar. Uncle sugar=you.
You might think it strange but the Iraq War was an war started simply for profiteering. Bush & Cheney should be charged for treason!
If you are referring to the Soviet Union, they collapsed under the weight of their own military spending & they certainly were NOT a threat like Hitler; it was just more Right Winged paranoia.
No you are just another paranoid ignoramus that has no clue as to the Military Industrial Complex costs as it relates to our deficits.... just remember Rome fell under the weight of its military AND certainly YOUR opinions carry NO weight as compared to Eisenhower!!!
Yeah, another young punk with more mouth than brains.
During the 23 years I served in the military, we were underpaid, underfunded and overtasked. We did it to protect the rights of idiots, like you, to be able to speak their minds. You may be proof it was a mistake.
Go ask your ponytailed professor to give an example how our quality of life would be better if the military was dissolved and the funds spent on creating world peace through weakness.
The more you post, the more you demonstrate that you are an uneducated hick with below average I.Q. Truth be told, most likely you & Wallace are gay lovers in hiding as is usual with many Repugnant's!
Regarding the military, too bad you weren't on Omaha Beach as that might have wised you up a bit and your service certainly did not keep me safe, in spite of your grand disillusions.
Underpaid.... you volunteered remember? You're just another loser that couldn't make it in the civilian world, sucked the government teet for all its worth and re-writes history daily to try and validate your sorry existence!!
no facts, just babble and insults. Look who is and uneducation bag of hot air. Your vast experience in life has given you all the answers to create a better world. Please go make your world in that image, but leave the rest alone.
You can argue we hit the wrong target. But hit a target that was involved we did. Beat their ass into the dirt(sand). We haven't been hit since. If we didn't hit somebody we would be a perpetual target. You kill Americans you too will be killed. Judging by the last ten years, we got the right people. If we didn't who cares, we got the message out.
The soviet union collapsed because socialism doesn't work...Period. Central planners in Moscow tried to run a country with a one size fits all mentality, governing nearly a 100 ethicities.Russia has more natural resources than we can imagine, yet they could not bring it to market. Now the USA has vast resources and we have an idiot in the White House that is preventing product from reaching the market.
We have 50 states for a reason but our dictator in chief thinks he knows what's best for everyone. Sound familiar? The Romans tried central planning. How did that work for them? Your are obviously too young or too dumb to understand why we've reached this point in our history. 70 years ago we had super power status thrust upon us reluctantly. We didn't seek it. We had a small, under equipped military that wasn't ready for the challenges it faced. Everytime we have reverted to a weak military some two bit dictator would challenge the world.(can you say Jimmie Carter) We would always be caught off guard, and have to rebuild. Which is more expensive, rebuilding or maintaining a deterent force?
Since Randy is obviously a graduate of the JFK School of Goverment or the National War College we should all listen to his wisdom on deplomacy and national defense. The liberal, KUM BYE YAA, approach has served us so well, Randy.
Here is a little insight into Islam from a man who was kicked out of the military for being too rough on a prisoner while trying to find out where they took some American prisoners. http://secure.afa.net/afa/activism/takeaction.asp?id=384
I keep hearing about the "truth" but the learned ones are not saying what it is. What it looks like is they don't much care for the USA so I suggest they either get out or stay out.
Proud to "hit a target" any target..... you and your secret lover boy (weiss) are an embarrassment to yourselves & to America. You are as clueless as Palin as to who the enemy is, people like you are why America is in such the mess that it is!!!
The military is the biggest reason you can still run your mouth, Randy and not have to fear taking a bullet for exercising that 1st ammendment rights. China is big country, you might fit in there much better.
Just add that billion into the $1.3 trillion deficit... nobody will notice.
But then wouldn't it better to spend that money on fixing New Orleans up which they are still in poverty (Like this one... we will rebuild...now god knows how many years after the devastation still F ALL DONE) and get their health system up to scratch for all. considering all the money (Zillions of dollars) wasted on the Military and their so called defense of other countries which has almost made them bankrupt (or has) It would be better if they didn't rush into with the attitude we are the only force who can quell the opposition (Take for example Vietnam WE WILL CONQUER ) in which they all ran with their tails between their legs.This was after the French Gave up. also noticed that the USA will drag every other country they can into their fight. . Basiclly the USA Should get their own country sorted out before they try the WE ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST.
Now I'm waiting for all comments on this one Should be interesting !!!!
Just another comment 2 friends of mine went to Las Vegas to see the big city They were impressed with all the main area but when they went a block eachside of that they only saw pverty and most of them were EX SERVICEMAN who are still waiting for their beloved country to suppoort and help them That to me seems like full support to those that have SO Called defended THEIR COUNTRY ...What a load of Crap you guys are
The USA Only came into the 2ndWW after the attack on on Pearl Harbor Before that they didn't want to get themselves involved but then they tried/or took all credit for winning the war go and read the history .
lol, well, i don't know. It took me a while to get to this post... 126 comments!!?? But i can clearly see it has turned into a political debate; therefore, i will stay away from it - it's not my politics to argue about.
