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Delta MD-88 Skidding on Takeoff

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tarbaby
phil gibson 6
The "Mad Dog" has a nose wheel position indicator. Didn't confirm position! Poor technique and judgement.......plus the fact that the crew initially aborted the take off....then continued the take off.....what gives!
wx1996
wx1996 6
What about a different possibility? A smooth skid generated a lot of smoke. Pilots were looking down the runway, did not see the smoke as it was behind them? What might they have felt or heard that would have them think abort takeoff and return to gate?

Yes from the outside what we see is obvious and wants me to get tires checked. However, did the crew see the same thing? Watch the video, do you think a crew concentrating on a takeoff would have been looking out the windows to see the back of the aircraft? Would they have seen any smoke?
What about others that witnessed the smoke? The other aircraft waiting to take off, should they have made a radio call to notify delta they smoked the tires? What about the tower did they see the smoke and not tell them?

Is there a different possibility besides the crew was to concerned with the schedule or wanting to get home at all costs that they did something questionable, unsafe, or unprofessional? As I was not there, I do not know what they experienced. However, there is always a different point of view.
preacher1
preacher1 3
Tks Phil, I thought I was imagining things at first but looked to me like they initially aborted or at least pulled back power too, before going on.
R123154
R123154 2
That's the best point yet wx1996.
Tourillon
You are a very wise person and 100% right on what you said.
70002
70002 1
Often, with a wet runway and slick conditions at the end of the runway(that paint is slippery!) when an MD-80 makes that 90 degree turn to lineup for take off, the nose tire will slide along the pavement. If you turn the nose tiller far enough, only one wheel actually contacts the runway surface. With less contact, the jet will really slide. Now if we can feel that in the cockpit on a slick runway, believe me, you will know it on a dry runway like in he video. Pilots do not need to see smoke to know something is amiss. Just sayin'....
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
They couldn't have seen the smoke, but I would say it's impossible to have not felt it.
I'm not a mechanic, but with that wheel being pushed at that angle, there was probably a great chance of cracking the pin on the link, and then maybe losing steering control.
Wingscrubber
Wingscrubber 5
Argh, I get nervous when pilots start their take-off roll from the hold short line - line up BEFORE you spool up, this is exactly why! It side-loads the gear and puts excessive wear on the tyres, it's an MD-80, not a sports car!
preacher1
preacher1 2
I can remember an unconventional taxi and takeoff long ago in a 707 on account of bad incoming wx.Boss man came up a little later and said " I guess sometimes you got to make a Winnebago handle like a 'Vette".
Tourillon
Who says a Mad Dog can't be a race car.
LOL
R123154
R123154 7
Well I guess we all have our opinions so here is mine.You don't have to be a airline pilot or an engineer to know what safety is.All airlines have line mechanics on duty and to me a 20 minute delay for a return to the gate for a guick inspection would have been the best move to me.I have seen just how tough these tires are and believe me they are tough.I have seen them with super sized flat spots and with large areas of cord showing and watched as they continue to their next destination to remove and replace there.These tires go through large amounts of testing and are very very heavy ply tires.The pilots know this but just the same, things happen and a look never hurt anyone.
70002
70002 3
Wowww, when something gets your attention enough that you initially abort, then decide to "abort the abort", it makes you wonder! A nose gear turned a full 90 degrees on a dry runway will get your attention fast, especially when the aircraft fails to accelerate properly. The square tires must have thumped profusely after that event! BTW, those tires are very easy to change, as was mentioned earlier, with a bottle jack. More difficult without jack if using the procedure of turning the nose gear and changing one at a time with spray deflector installed. Bottom line: his call but I would be back at the gate...
Tony M. B-777 Captain @ AA. 27 years MD80 Captain. Former MD80 mechanic
rh77
...but MD-88 doesn't care.

(I couldn't resist)
jhakunti
I'm sure those tires did take a beating but the pilot had no way of knowing that. The takeoff roll was executed successfully. IF there was any pertinent tire damage, the pilots would have recognized this during the t/o roll. (Like Nigeria Airways 2120).

Other aircraft may not have noticed as they may have been running through their checklists like normal procedure. ATC may not have noticed because this incident occurs and lasts for about 7 seconds. ATC may have been doing any number of things, and from the looks of taxiway the local and ground controllers may have been quite busy.

Nonetheless, the pilots probably would have aborted the takeoff if they had know there was any damage to the tires. The tires must have been fine since the flight tookoff and landed successfully with those tires until mx changed them.

my 2cents.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
With your credentials, this should be put to rest now...
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I thought I met an AA 777 Cap. in CDW named Tony. Are you a friend of Richard Greene?
finnmaccool
Stuart Foster 1
He should have aborted the take off and come around to try again. He really had no idea how much runway he had used for his "sporting" and it might have made his passenger calmer, though a few minutes late, and looked a lot more professional than a rookie on his first day testing out what an MD-22 can do on the runway.
finnmaccool
Stuart Foster 1
*MD-88, sorry.
70002
70002 1
No, I don't know a Richard Greene.. I am based at LAX. Take care, bro..
Pepsi
Aaron Barthol 4
Interesting decision by the crew to continue the takeoff. I would have aborted.
jcasey
James Casey 4
I agree with wx1996...doubtful the pilots ever saw the smoke as they're busy lining up on the runway. Also, you can't just pop back to the gate, get out the jack and swap tires. Tire swaps take A LOOOONNGG time, especially if they don't have one already built up and ready to go...but even if they did, you have to get the airplane on jacks which takes time, after you deplane everyone, swap the tire, inspect the nose gear, get it all signed off and returned to service. Not going to be just a 20 minute delay.

It's easy to say "I would have aborted" when you weren't there in the cockpit.
chiphermes
Chip Hermes 4
So the deal is to risk a V1 cut or something to avoid a possible inconvenience? Got it.
DL1011
MIKE KOWALSKI 2
A couple of errors in your post. 1)"tire swaps take a long time." Nose wheel change on a MD takes about 20 minutes max after it blocks in. 2) A/c does not need to be put on "jacks". A nose wheel can and is changed with a bottle jack. It just lifts the nose gear. And if I was in a hurry I could and have done it without a jack. Move the jet way back and turn the nose wheel in the cockpit either full deflection left or right. The direction that you turn the nose wheel control will raise the opposite nose wheel just barely off the ground,enough to remove 1/2 of the rain deflector from the nose gear, and then change that tire. 3)All mtc stations have tires already built up and inflated, ready to go for any particular a/c that flys into that station. No need to deplane any pax from a/c. As a mechanic I need access to the cockpit for only one reason; to get the logbook and sign it off after completion of the tire change.No inspector needed. My sign off will say " replaced lt nose wheel, spacer installed.Ok for further service." Have a nice flight Captain. Just a sidebar, James, my user name in fltaware is DL1011.Take a guess who I worked for as line mtc for 26 years.
blake1023
blake1023 2
Those tires are probably out of limits... not to mention the rest of the nose gear.
rick737
richard weiss 1
The crew might not have seen the smoke from the skidding tires but they would have felt the skid and chatter. I'd rather 'splane a flat spotted tire to a chief pilot than a big chunk of rubber in an engine. Cameras and witnesses are everywhere today. There would have been no rug dancing out of that.
R123154
R123154 0
Exactly right James.We had to do a tire swap on the main inside tire on a Dash 8 and it seemed like forever.Then when all was said and done the inspector whom had already left from working all night had went home.What people especially the passengers don't understand is that we weren't changing a car tire.Of course this was at a non-hub airport.
Tourillon
I don't see any valid reason to do a aborted take off.
rick737
richard weiss 5
I guess all those years as a student pilot has made you an expert on transport category aircraft. Those tires are more than likely scrubbed to the cord. There was a good possiblity one or both of the tires could have deflated due to bead break. If the tire comes apart on take off roll, the chunks are headed for the engines. He should have gone back to the gate for a look.
preacher1
preacher1 1
What's the old saying used for pilots and many different professions:

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.
brandonpeery
Brandon Peery -2
I agree...apparently his ego is more important.
btweston
btweston 4
That is a rather specific conclusion to reach after watching a one minute youtube video.
brandonpeery
Brandon Peery 0
Brad, what do you mean? The tire after this incident could have been damaged. Not worth the risk of blowing a tire on landing is it? I think I saw enough.
kwguy
kwguy 3
No way they'd see the smoke, even if they'd had time & inclination to look for it. They'll looking at far more important things. Wouldn't feel any different than normal taxiway, maybe slightly smoother. Notice how it cleaned right up long before rotation. Bet that tire's fine, too. Ran 80,000 lbs 18 wheelers 40+ years, and saw lots of tires smoke briefly. On inspection later, you can't tell that tire from the other ones. Looks a lot more impressive than it really is. Total over-reaction not neccessary.
lorenzm
I wonder what the King Air pilot was thinking, being surronded in smoke!
Gryphon1234
Frank Morris 2
Abort, check/replace the tires, and get back in line. Glad I don't fly Delta if that's the way they train. (BZ to whomever shot this little revelation.)
kwguy
kwguy 1
That's the weakness of trying to make the airplane do 2 things at the same time (turn sharp & accelerate). Of course they backed off the power, so the nose wheels could "hook up" again. Those tires were rotating, so you won't even see where they skidded. I have lots of trouble understanding why there's no flat spots on all the tires from landing. I'd have fins on the wheels to start at least some rotation before touchdown. Does anybody feel the skid as those stationary tires contact the runway? I don't thing I can single that event out during touchdown.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
The crew got away with it that time. Someone mentioned the fact that some of us commenters don't have Air Transport experience or thousands of hours to be able to comment on the video.....well, looks like a duck.....smells like a duck, walks like a duck....guess what........damn!! It must be duck! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to form an opinion.....this is a forum for all to participate......let us all get along and respect others opinions. And also having Air Transport experience and thousands of hours of worldwide experience, which I have, doesn't make anyone an authority on an incident such as this. Comments made here were for group discussion for goodness sake!
blackhillssoonerboy
william ouart 1
I thought they done an awesome Jobbbbbbbbb!!!! Dont see what the Big deal issss!!!! Seems its a new way to Criticise,with everyone now days!!!! Awesome Job Delta pilots!!!!Just another day at workkkkk!!!With a smile!!!!
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Ok.....we have all beat this one up enough...next?
alensperry
Alen Sperry 1
So Cool. I have a pretty good idea what happen. The pilot must have thought that he could get a little more runway by spooling up the engines while still on the taxi. But when he turned the wheel to steer onto the runway. The thrust was to much to turn. So what does he do? He cranks the wheel even more. When you do that on a MD-88 one side of the axel will lift off of the ground so now he only has one nose tire on the ground giving him less nose tire traction. It wasn't till he killed the thrust that the A/C turned. Once he lined up with the runway he gave it thrust again. (I really don't think the engineers designed them to turn sharp with thrust applied. I have seen Mechanics on taxi in to the Hanger pad crank the nose over to turn and have seen the nose tire skid a little because of the speed. And that is with out power applied just driving to fast for the turn.) The pilot may have only pulled thrust back on the left engine knowing what he had done, who knows. And if you think about just the physics there is not a whole lot of weight up there compared to the total weight of the A/C.
I really doubt the pilot would have thought that he needed to have the nose tire checked and I doubt that he even felt a difference in the wheels on takeoff. Those tires take a worse beating just on landing. I bet the only thing bad was he took some landings off the left nose tire. And I really doubt the nose tire stopped turning to even create a flat spot. In fact on his next landing all evidence of nose skid was probably gone from just the landing. And the stain left in his seat proves he wont be doing that again.
VINNYHERMAN
vin herman 1
Whoo-hoo! A LOT of Ego, er uh expert opinions here!
bottom line is this happens more than the avg. sim enthusiast/layman thinks...
jjay3650
Looks like First officers Take off, Captain's on the tiller ( nose wheel steering). F/O cobs the power Early , Poor CRM ( cockpit resource management). It Happens!
rh77
Something else, as (merely) a frequent rider of the MD-80 series, I've noticed that you can often smell "hot" rubber after gear retraction. I don't know if it's from the fore or aft gear, and how it's ingested into the cabin air system since the area isn't pressurized. Has anyone else noticed this?

If so, this cabin had to have been ripe with the smells of that visible smoke first, then those tires had to offer an uncomfortable aroma to concern paying customers even further. Would that not have alerted a concern in the front office? Anyway, I know of pilots that abort T/O if there's a vibration from the gear that indicates a failing tire or other gear problem. But it all comes down to the judgement of those in command, and I'll leave it there. Personally, I would rather plop down on a good set of treads.

The only antics I've had while riding along (to my knowledge) was being aboard an NWA 757-200 at KSEA that was pushed into a Delta 737 (early "merger") that was also pushing back (in low vis). It only felt like a slight slip on snow when we stopped, but it didn't "feel" right. Turns out, both AC's horizontal stabs were bent. Our crew didn't know it, so we started-up and was ready to go when a Delta truck came flying up and alerted us. Not that I know what exactly happened, but from observation, one spotter was taken into custody and later the ramp controller was mentioned as pushing both erroneously from the published investigation.

Point is, if frequent fliers notice abnormalities, wouldn't a trained crew with lots more air time do so as well?
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
that's what happens when you let kids in the cockpit.....you punks trying to drift planes planes now...tisk tisk tisk
Woodman51
Dale Mays 1
Even I would have returned to the gate to check the tire..what happened to common sense?
99NY
99NY 1
You can almost hear the pilots saying "screw it just go!"
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
LOL, I can see the pilots write up when he lands... "Nose Wheel Vibration"... With that much smoke, he flat spotted them bad..
ghataks
Looks like more of a case of powering up too early before being completely aligned with runway CL. Possible #2 engine spooled up a bit more than #1, causing the skid. Not an issue of misaligned nose wheel IMHO. Either way more drama with smoke than any real likelihood of damage. I've seen more smoke than that during some landings only it is spread out for a bit than concentrated in one spot
howej011
Joseph Howes 1
pilot must have been in a rush. did it have imidiate take off clearance or did it just get clearance when it got on the runway?
BigTuna
Tim Burga 1
The pilots couldn't have seen the smoke but I'm genuinely curious if a small fraction of it might have been ingested and fed into the cabin air. That smell is so unique and pungent that it wouldn't take very much at all to notice. Plausible?
TimothyDenner
TimothyDenner 1
Another reason why I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to fly Delta
LaneH10
Lane Hardison 1
Whether the crew saw the smoke or not is of no significance, the airplane did not go where they wanted it to . There had to be a sever viberation and to continue the take off was not very responsible.

Safety has to come first and not worry about how long it would take to change out the tires.
jrupp
Jonathan Rupp 1
My most likely to be argued with thoughts:

1. The first take off was aborted. Turn up the volume and hear the engines spool up, then hear them be brought back to idle. I can just hear them on the flight deck calling for an abort when they realized they weren't able to maintain steering. That call would begin the idling sequence. If it was not aborted, they would have been in the grass.

2. The issue has nothing to do with the smoke. I agree that it is unlikely that the pilots saw it, however, the real issue, which I don't think anyone has mentioned, is the fact that the aircraft was very nearly a runway excursion. Watch how far off the runway heading they are. They could have just as easily straighten out the nose wheel and gone forward into the grass.

3. I suspect that their first thought was a steering fail of some sort. I am not familiar with the warning systems on the MD-88, but I imagine that if they didn't have any lights flashing at them once they regaining and maintained positive steering, they decided to continue with another try.
LaneH10
Lane Hardison 1
I do not hold a type rating in the DC9 and that is what is the type is for a MD80 I do have 900 hours in the DC9-51
And types on the B777, CE500, Falcon Jets DA2000, DA20, DA50, LR Jets.
So I do speak from experience. Oh and over 10,000 hours logged
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
Will you look at the left cockpit window everybody? I see the window open. Please correct me if i'm mistaken.
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
It seems clear from the 18 to 27 seconds of frames. Thanks for your opinion Sebastien.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I'm not sure if that would make it into the cabin, basing that on the distance from the nose to the engines on the MD80, as opposed to a bird or rubber going directly into the engines. I've had birds go through the engine, and it stunk 5 seconds later...
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I was thinking the same thing... Eitherway, he is getting some new treads on the nose wheel. If it had not been pointing forward it would have simply rolled. Also, note the other end of the runway... BAD CROSS WIND. With that much wind and spooling up, one engine could have compressor stalled if he brought the throttles up too fast. To smoke nose tires, they have to slide sideways. I do not think that any MD88 has nose wheel brakes and I can speak from authority that the Delta Version MD88 does not have Nose Wheel Brakes. For the nose wheels to smoke requires forced sideways movement.
Tourillon
How is that a reason? Delta is a great airline I fly it all the time.
Tourillon
Hum clear that it is open or closed? And no problem.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Unfortunately, a lot of "aviators" are pressured by schedules, management, etc..
When the violation or accident happens, management isn't going to feed my son or dogs, or pay my mortgage, so guess what...
Tourillon
Calm down. Oh and the entire "if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, walks like a duck, then it must be a duck" is not always true.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Could be, but that's a lot of assumptions.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Oh dear...
TimothyDenner
TimothyDenner 2
I was in the US Army for over 13 years, in my time in the Army I was stationed in Germany, on the trip out there it was my wife, my two daughters, and I. We flew Delta, and we had enough stuff with us to last for a while while we waited for the Army to ship the rest of our stuff out to us. My girls were 16 months old, so there was alot of stuff that we had for them under the airplane in checked baggage. We flew JFK to FRA on Delta, and when we got there, our baggage was not there. They NEVER found it and we never got compensated for the loss.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Sebastian: you have already been chastised here once about your many years of experience as a student and you are voicing some very opinionated statements here to some very experienced ATP's. You are the type of individual that needs to spend some right seat time with some of these veterans to allow them to open yours eyes to the real world.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Sparkie, look at the video. They were sideways
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
Open , sorry.
Tourillon
Hmm I find interesting that the pilots has is window open just before take off not you?
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
Just as interesting as him rolling too soon before the front wheels are pointing forward. The window in question is the middle one of the three on the left side. It looks like it is opened upwards, flipped up.
preacher1
preacher1 1
On 2nd look, it does appear that it is open but I can't imagine it being with him getting up for takeoff. Obviously there was no vibration or anything to cause him to abort. He may have just powered back momentarily to let that nose wheel straighten out. MD does have a noswheel indicator. Too much to second guess. Had there been any vibration or something along that line, him or any other pilot would or should have aborted and probaly would, otherwise go on.
Tourillon
I'm disagreeing with you but on this website everybody is entitled to have there opinion on both the discussions and the members opinion. And for your information the only "flying" time I have is on X-Plane.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Learn how to spell "THEIR" as that is possessive and your profile for all to look at says student.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
Preach on Preacherman, I'll strike a few chords on the organ!
preacher1
preacher1 1
kids today;lol!!!!!!!
Tourillon
Yes well in my opinion flying on X-Plane is step one to becoming a real pilot.
preacher1
preacher1 1
In answer to your other statement, yes, everybody is entitled to their opinion but you can learn by listening and asking questions rather than proclaiming an " I know it all" attitude. That will do nothing but cause people to ignore anything you do say or ask. You can do as you will. This is just my opinion, and as you said, everbody is entitled to theirs.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
X-plane and Flight X are only good for letting you get a basic idea and look at flight instruments....never would I rely on a flight sim to fully teach me the functions of flying a real plane

another career flight student
Tourillon
I'm very sorry I did not realize I was having a know it all attitude because of course I don't.
preacher1
preacher1 1
That is a wonderful first step. You have learned something today so it is a gain for today. Welcome to FA.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Everything will get better Monsieur, how's the X plane flying coming along?
R123154
R123154 1
After many many years in Aviation one thing I have learned is this, we all are experts-in our own way.When I go to airshows there is always someone who seems to know more than I and is an expert and after each one I have to ask myself do I look like that person did to me.We Lovers of anything that flies are a group that have great pride in our passion but sometimes things could be left unsaid.Not one person knows everything but in this one sure can speculate and that is all.I know I wasn't in either of those seats up front.Lots of pressure from a lot of different directions are thrown upon crews these days,I do know that for sure because I witnessed it every day for 15 years and that applies to Business Aviation as well.
Tourillon
Thanks. To be honest my X-Plane coming great I'm running my own virtual airline and right now I'm flying CYUL-KSAN (Montreal-San Diego) on a B757-200 with winglets and powered by two fantastic RB211 engines I'm about 1:30hr out of KSAN right now.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
Good investigating, there's a chick missing in Aruba too!!!
finnmaccool
Stuart Foster 0
I do not think the company, Delta, had anything to do with this. It was one hotshot pilot.
Tourillon
Looks closed from my opinion but I could be wrong.
alensperry
Alen Sperry 2
She maybe in the Cockpit trying to get out the window.
NSGDC
Scott Keller 1
Wow. I'd probably get a NASA form in if I was that PIC or second... I don't think the skid is such a big deal, but continuing, that's risky. No way to tell what condition that nose gear was in. I'd want to pull off and make a quick check.
rick737
richard weiss 1
Wonder how the nose tires looked at the destination. Pilots are lucky they stayed on the rims.
MAKPilot718
Mark Krawiec 1
To me, that looked like a perfect takeoff role.
chiphermes
Chip Hermes 3
You must be a Delta MD80 pilot.
N519AT
N519AT 0
Gotta love the MMQB. What most likely happened is the CA handed the throttles over to the FO rounding the corner and the FO pushed up the throttles too soon resulting in the skid.

Tires on transport category jets won't just come off the rim in a situation like this (see: http://www.airliners.net/photo/1066397/L/ ). There was no safety compromised.

Thanks to this video becoming popular again, I wouldn't doubt because of the arm chair quaterbacks on this site and others that the pilots get called in for a carpet dance and potentially lose their jobs. Those who haven't flown transport category jets have no business commenting on the decision of the this crew continuing the takeoff.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 3
Well, aren't you doing the same thing that you say others are doing???
After looking at that video, I would say that they should have returned and got it checked out. There seemed to be an awful load on that gear, which had to have been felt in the cockpit.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Got to agree with you. I can't see anyway that he couldn't have felt that. That gear, if you look close, was turned almost 90degrees, right toward the camera. I guess everybody would have their own reasons, but I would have gone back too.
cm5299
Chuck Me 1
Ah. So the picture of a plane taxing on wet ground proves the tire would be just fine?

By that "logic" JetBlue292 could be used to show the tire was surely going to fail.
ljlintner
Loren Lintner 1
I fully agree that people often question the actions of others without understanding all of the circumstances. Sort of like making an assumption about what happened in the cockpit without having been there, having heard the recordings, or seen some data.

Personally, I can't speak to whether or not safety was compromised, so I won't. What I disagree with, however, is the assertion that someone can't question the actions if they have not been a transport pilot. There are many other skills that might give someone a valuable perspective.

Is an engineer disqualified? They may have a better understanding of the differences the stress on the gear at an idle thrust (as in the photo you shared) and that at takeoff thrust of the video. I'm not an engineer, but having driven a car more than once, I can make some comparisons there. Again, I don't know if it would make a substantial difference, but I'm willing to bet you came to your conclusion without an engineering degree. Same standard?

Would a mechanic be disqualified from commenting? How about an insurance broker who spends their time doing risk assessments? Airport Ops guy who has picked up the pieces after the experts have done their thing?
rick737
richard weiss 0
N519AT, I had a nose tire seperate from the rim after it deflated on landing. A very sharp ground ops person saw it on taxi in, and called it to my attention. It happens.
memedude
memedude 0
Is the reg N968DL, I can't confirm.
Mandela
Dan Mandrow 0
Wow! How long ago was this video taken? There hasn't been a jet in the Delta fleet with that paint job for at least two to three years. Maybe longer.
memedude
memedude 0
Awesome, now that is some good detective work ;-) Thanks.
Dubslow
Bill Winslow 0
...I think so. Definitely N96xDL, but I think it's an 8.
Dubslow
Bill Winslow 1
Heh, it even was in Norfolk yesterday :)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N968DL
jkabradley
Video was uploaded in Jul 29, 2010.
Dubslow
Bill Winslow 0
Yes, definitely. View the video at the ~0:26+ mark
bingoair
Markus Wolff -1
That was awesome I wish he/she had got the back wheels off the edge too, and maybe he/she could have taken out the runway signs. I was expecting something more dramatic. The best part is reading all these Safety experts claims of what should have have been done. Not until you were in the same seat, same day, same fatigue, same exact situation should you judge and let loose with your critical assessments. The plane landed safely and thanks to McDonnell Douglas no real damage reported, is this last statement true?
ricmech23
There goes the sidewall! lol
MilesTeg
john smith -1
Like Pee wee Herman, he meant to do that.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 7
Your statement is true about the speculations, but I think some of us are commenting based on common sense and viewing the obvious.
When you stand behind a horse and tickle his ass with a feather, he then kicks you in the balls. An observer would not have to be put in that same situation to know it hurts.
bingoair
Markus Wolff 1
Well said THRUSTT, point taken.

THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Gracias...
preacher1
preacher1 1
Straight and to the point. Well put my friend.lol
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Now my fetishes are out in the open...
bogdawg
bogdawg -4
Wow, lots of judgement here. I would not have aborted that takeoff. Just because the tires smoke does not mean there is damage. If there had been, the nose of the plane would have shaken like crazy and then they would have aborted. From what some of the "instant experts" are posting here, please do not ever board one of my flights. I don't second guess my doctor or dentist. Please stop second guessing flight crews operating planes for which you do not hold a type rating or hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of experience.
Tourillon
Here is my opinion on this video and event:
a) Must have scared a few passengers,
b) Very smokey but not very risky,
c) NO clear reason to abort as other people said on this tread landing gears are VERY strong,
d) Very nice take off after wards,
e) One of the reasons that I think is why the pilot did not abort the take off was as simple as the pressure put on him by the airline to arrive on time at his destination.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 3
And the cow jumped over the moon...
preacher1
preacher1 1
You obviously are not acquainted with THRUSTT and his very realistic outlook on life.lol
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
Gimme a hallelujah, Preacherman
preacher1
preacher1 1
He probably didn't see the smoke. I just have a hard time believing that he couldn't feel it and/or one of the other planes wouldn't have said something, and had one of those happened, I'm sorry, but like THRUSTT and several others here, I'd have went back to the gate. That said, I wasn't there, and this thing is 2-3 years old so who knows. Just given what you see, I'd have went back.
Tourillon
Trust me on one thing the pilot did not see the smoke it is complete impossible.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall too
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Bet those pilots knew exactly why the plane wasn't turning. Lol
preacher1
preacher1 1
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
They also knew exactly what to do about it. Power down, straighten up, power up!!! Just like Carl Edwards woulda' done it. Wheeee wheeeee!!!!!
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
And to you sir.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, she did sell. Hopefully I'll see some money shortly. These guys are identified as owning RTI out of Kansas City, and Hirschbach in Iowa/IL, but they seem to be individual types, more as an investor group. I am staying on so far. It will be interesting.lol
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Good for you! I'm enjoying the loss of responsibility.New owners gave me a raise. Bad part is I'm writing the DC crowd a check on Tuesday for enough to buy a new Cessna 400 and fuel for years. I'll settle for the used one and be happy. Social security will pay the hanger rent. LOL
preacher1
preacher1 1
Hopefully they will bestow one on me when the air clears. I am going to try and go for full SS and all so I got 2-3 years to go unless they extend the goalposts again.lol. Have a good weekend!!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
You didn't hear??? Full SS comes at age 85 now!!!
preacher1
preacher1 1
Dang Thrustt, I didn't need that on a Saturday.lol BUT, at the rate they are going, by the time I get there it may very well be.lol