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Flight Track - ANA's Boeing 787 Delivery Flight from Seattle to Tokyo

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ANA is departing from Seattle at 6:30a PDT for the 9h30min flight to Haneda airport in Tokyo in their brand new Boeing 787. (flightaware.com) More...

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sheka
mark tufts 0
i wonder how many souls are on the fist flight
jimwallingford
Mark 40 something is what I heard.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 0
Finally!!
BFIBRAVO
BFIBRAVO 0
Be reminded the flight was from KPAE, Paine Field, in EVERETT, Washington, not Seattle!
jimwallingford
I did post some pictures from the flight this morning to the aviation photos.
Salumzaid
sweet final good news
ernestogarza
ernesto garza 0
What is the difference in air filtering or fresh air supply compared compared to the rest of airplanes?
mjtimmons
Novice questions. I noticed that the flight path take the plane North near land. Is that due to the curvature of the earth, or is it intentional to stay near land?
VE7WLF
Doug Barry 0
It is a "great circle" route Matt. The shortest distance between two places isn't always a straight line.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 0
The shortest distance between two places is always a straight line. The problem is that a straight line on a round object doesn't appear straight when flattened out for this type of map.
VE7WLF
Doug Barry 0
The way it appeared, it wasn't straight. Matt asked a question, I gave a quick answer without quoting a text on navigation and map projections. I haven't looked into the 787 details but I don't think ETOPS bothers it any more than a B767. We can give easy answers or baffle people with BS.
mduell
Mark Duell 0
ETOPS doesn't apply on a delivery flight.
dgelliott
And it's due to the number of engines...
mjtimmons
hmmm. can you explain please
dgelliott
Any aircraft over ocean with less than 3 engines is required to always be with a FAA set distance from a place to land after the loss of one engine. It detailed in each airline's FAA approved OPS SPECS. You can find more in the FARs...
mduell
Mark Duell 0
ETOPS doesn't apply to a delivery flight.
Kjoden44
Ken Oden 0
You sure about that? Not that they were that far away from a place to set down in case of "what if...?" You're aware that ETOPs regulations are in place not just for a mechancial failure, but to take into account something like fuel contamination which could easily affect BOTH engines.
mduell
Mark Duell 0
ETOPS only applies to passenger carrying revenue flights. A delivery flight would be part 91 or whatever the Japanese equivalent is.
dgelliott
Are you sure ETOPS does not apply to freighter flights, only passenger carrying revenue flights? If there were no passengers or revenue freight on board, I agree that FAR Part 91 would apply on this delivery flight.
mduell
Mark Duell 0
Yes, ETOPS only applies to part 121/125/135.
Kjoden44
Ken Oden 0
It may be due to ETOPs requirements.
gjrockhound2000
KC Hoover 0
Love flying with ANA. Hope to have a flight on the dream liner on one of my flights to Asia.
kenish
kenish 0
@matt- Here is a nice great-circle plotter that is aviation oriented.. http://gc.kls2.com/ The path is a straight line although the compass heading will constantly change...the exception is a directly N-S track.

ETOPS also involves the aircraft certification, maintenance, equipment, etc. Some airlines have "ETOPS" on the lower fuselage for ramp crew awareness. ETOPS applies over isloated or rugged land areas, not just over water.
CTAnderson
CTAnderson 0
Other exception is an E-W flight at the equator. ;-)
ferminbf
long live to the new bird on the sky. i hope to get my boarding pass a.s.a.p.
ferminbf
long live to the newest bird on the sky. congratulations to both boeing and ANA. i hope to get my boarding pass a.s.a.p
Derg
Roland Dent 0
Now I am a BIG fan of all things USA. I am not a USAer. But I know pedigree when I encounter it the and the quality of a Boeing with a GE set of motors is marginally ahead of an AB34.

That's if you rip out the FMS of course.

What I really want to know about the 787 is how this composite monoque shell and frame will handle 2g turbulence at minus 60C.

All views MOST WELCOME but check out AF447.
kenish
kenish 0
Large composite structures are nothing new and there is a large and growing base of knowledge and experience. One amazing example is the space shuttle liquid tank which is far colder than -60c ready for launch. Even aluminum isn't the same material at -60c versus 20c.
Derg
Roland Dent 0
I remain sceptical. Do you know of any published data about composites used in the 787 please?

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