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Once you get the idea fo the descent, you can skip to 2m30s to see the approach and landing. (www.liveleak.com) More...

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nec1978
Eduardo Carneiro 6
Flying..... is just about precision.....Always!
ynotssor
ynot ssor 2
"Expect the unexpected" is an ever-present corollary.
preacher1
preacher1 15
Well, the old adage of "no Old & Bold pilots" comes to mind. There are a lot of
"what if's" that could have happened there. It just wasn't his time.
andrewstagg
Andrew Stagg 10
Although the flying is impressive, it can't help but remind me of a Bonanza crash at Baton Rouge a number of years ago. The pilot had almost 4000 hours and would commute daily between BTR and TVR (Tallulah, LA). On takeoff the pilot would always roll into almost a 90 degree bank less than 200ft off the ground. He did this probably several hundred times without ever having a problem... until July 2, 1999. The NTSB report is here: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001212X19257&key=1
mattch49
Matt Chamberlain 4
I witnessed this incident first hand from the south ramp... we all knew it was going to happen sooner rather than later.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 2
Thanks Andrew
bishops90
Brian Bishop 5
Pretty impressive stick n rudder work.
From a photographer's perspective on the video, the extremely wide angle lense used in the filming distorts the apparent distances and angles ("fisheye" effect) which may add somewhat to the drama of the situation. The curvature of the horizon illustrates this.
bbabis
bbabis 8
Flying skill 10, aviation decision making 0. Average pilot score 5. Each time he gets away with these maneuvers it reinforces to him that what he is doing is safe and a little more risk can be taken next time. It only takes once to realize it was being done wrong all along. He could be a really good pilot if he learns to make a safe minimum time approach.
unclebigpete
Peter Douglas 6
Well, you've gotta admit it, that is a very neat touchdown, but the distance between the wingtip and the ground before he landed was perhaps a bit too close. The pilot has obviously done it before.
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
One invisible thermal up-draft or its corresponding mass-continuity down-draft is all it takes.
pfp217
pfp217 3
OH!! It's a Doinker! I thought I read it was in Brazil somewhere and I was thinking it was an EMB-121 (low wing) .. makes more sense now! Some skilled flying!
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Thanks for tying the two views together. Doesn't change my opinion from my prior post.
jkudlick
Jeremy Kudlick 8
Just a *little* irresponsible. Absolutely no need for an approach like that without an emergency - I don't care how good a pilot you think you are.
123sadie
tom runstadler 8
Come on guys that was awesome he probably flies like that all the time what about crop dusting you dont call that crazy.I would right seat with him anytime
bentwing60
bentwing60 6
Maybe not for long.
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 5
Agreed! I rather ride the approach in with him than jump out of the plane, lol!
A1absolut
Diego Marelli 2
You right Tom, that was awesome...come on guys.. give the guy some credits ..
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
That's Germany, but in the U.S. we have a long-held belief that the sport of skydiving is self-policing. The only "credits" that us old-timers who are still current jumpers give such pilots are of the negative variety.
jlbontrager
Jay Bontrager 1
Tom, your right. The vidio was awsome and brought back many memories. I aquired over 2500 hrs as a Diver Driver for 7 yrs for a DZ in Ks in 182'S and Caravan's. When I started I was like most people..20 degree bank in the pattern, 80 mph on final. After several months I seen that was not cost affective and the appr needed to be shortend. Long story short I did at least 4000 short apprs simular to this. Yes I came close to losing my life and the plane too..twice. But I found my limit and the last 5 yrs I was not on a death wish but comfortable with the risk I was taking and no one complained. In fact any jumpers that rode down with me understood why I wanted to fly rather than jump. One question...Has anyone fallen asleep while flying PIC? I HAVE..several times hauling 15-25 loads a day 10-13 hrs plus night jumps. Quit bashing the guy he's probably trying to stay awake. The landing is the DD's only excitment. HE'S GOOD!!! MC and HNY JB
jlbontrager
Jay Bontrager 1
Check out AirCapitalDropZone.com
tedtimmons
tedtimmons 6
He knows what he's doing. Just like airshow pilots, he has the skill to fly closer to the edge than most of us certificated pilots. Many pilots have never been taught the concept of "unloading" the airplane. When an aircraft is descending quickly, it effectively weighs less and the stall speed drops accordingly. He is flying this twin somewhat like a glider and managing his energy, not so very different than Bob Hover does with the Shrike Commander. MOST of us don't have the skill required to do what he did and we shouldn't try it, but this guy DOES have the skill. Why return to the airport with such haste? Usually it is to pickup the next waiting load.
chalet
chalet 3
C'mon you know quite well that good ole Bob Hoover is several miles above this sunday-wannabe exhibitionist.
data4unme
Fred Christensen 1
I saw a ground view on this video recording with a much larger margin and prospective than the Cockpit view. The roll out was interesting...seem he laid on the breaks and could have nosed over.
cowbert
Cow Bert 1
The energy management is also a bit more flexible in this case the Do28 is designed for short-field operations/STOL. Pilot is trading for a longer touchdown speed and rollout. I think the main unsafe part may have just been mentality. If the conditions during final had departed from nominal flight the question to ask is would the pilot have been comfortable making the missed approach or would he have tried to salvage the approach and shoehorn it onto the runway anyway? As long as he continues to understand the limitations of the flight envelope the Do28 could be capable of sustaining operations under this regime.
data4unme
Fred Christensen 1
Energy management is the key to touch down. I wonder about the termo impact to the engines, how does that work?
eagle763
John Hale 4
I'm sorry, the dive is cool but once he got close to the trees, me and him would have been fighting on the spot. You don't do that that close to trees and ground if there is no emergency.
chalet
chalet 4
This reminds me of the numerous Air Force, Navy, Marine and Army pilots/aviators that over the years went wild buzzing girlfriends, dipping chopper skids on lakes, terrorizing communities risking lives and risking Government property. Some were caugth but never prosecuted for their bosses did the same supid things when younger, some crashed, and some are still at it.
ynotssor
ynot ssor 4
I've jumped from aircraft many thousands of times, but only landed in them a couple dozen at most ... these videos reinforce the fact that I'm doing the right thing, even if the pilot stays out of my and everyone else's airspace.

He isn't using shoulder harnesses either ... yet another clue of carelessness and over-confidence. Such cowboys don't last long as lift pilots.
jcarey805
Jeff Carey 4
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
Me would've waited until after landing to fight with him.
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 1
Uh oh, Beware of the grammar police! Jeff, it's a fucking aviation forum not English class. Quit correcting people's grammar and go get your pilots license.
preacher1
preacher1 -1
Depends on what part of the country you're from. Me & Him would be proper English for down here
8literbeater
Jess Glaze 3
Personally I wouldn't have corrected him, but someone did, and you felt that you needed to to one-up him. So I'm doing my civic duty by pointing out that "me and him" would not be proper English "down there" or any other place on planet Earth. It may be common and/or accepted where you live, but it's wrong. "He and I" is THE proper way, not A proper way. The correction is also a subtle dig at the validity of John Hale's statement.

This whole tit-for-tat is a parody of the video and ensuing comments. Maybe in Germany this flying is "proper". Maybe in the military it's proper. Maybe in skydiving it's proper. Personally I think it's safe; he was close to the trees (low), but still fast. He bled off speed over the runway. He was obviously fast enough to make a safe landing if both engines failed. Now if he was dragging it in over those trees behind the power curve and trying to make a short field landing, that would be dangerous, and pointless. There's nothing wrong with being low and fast, making steep banks, well withing gliding distance of a long empty runway, in an airplane that is WELL below gross weight. It's part of his job.

How about flying for National Geographic in the middle of the bush somewhere making 40 knots, 40 feet above a jungle canopy? Is that safe? I doubt it. It's the job that the pilot was hired for, and it's low and slow and dangerous. There is also the "innocent" photographer along for the ride. Not only that, there are no paramedics nearby. I think this goes for pipeline inspectors, powerline inspectors, etc.

airspeed or altitude
joelwiley
joel wiley -1
Is colloquialism a violation of the Laws of English Grammar? Which laws, and to whom is the mantle of penultimate arbiter granted (and by whom)? Is that English English, American English (North/ South of Mason Dixon line), Australian English, FAA English>

Veliecht es ist Ordnung im Deutschland, aber....

Second person before first person is the basis of the classic "Alphonse and Gaston" skit.

As for grammar, "and it's low and slow and dangerous", should be "and it's low, slow and dangerous" unless your are speaking colloquially.
8literbeater
Jess Glaze 2
I agree with you.

Actually yes, colloquialism does violate the standards of English Grammar.
FAA English is jargon, and it is also non-standard.
"And it's low and slow and dangerous" is slang, and I realize that it's not proper.

The arbiter is not specific, but it is polite, and shows class, to put the other person's name before the self. Putting the self first is basically classless, or selfish. It's no more a law than whether or not it is right or wrong to eat dogs. Generally, we English speakers would think that eating dogs is wrong, universally. So when someone chooses Bowser over beef, we say that's wrong, and that's that.

I'm making myself look like a jerkoff (slang), and I really was only slightly irritated that so many people were jumping on Jeff Carey, that was poking fun at John Hale for being so brackish. All of a sudden there's a whole bunch of people (happens every time) that want to crucify the guy that likes to use proper grammar, and makes it known that lazy language does not go unnoticed. Looking back at it now, preacher1 may have simply been poking a little fun and making a joke as well.

My apologies to those who misunderstood my intentions, and to all English-speaking dog-eaters.
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
PVUpilot
PVUpilot 6
"Argh! I'm going to arm chair pilot at this guy! He doesn't know what he is doing! He is unsafe! Blah blah blah!" C'mon guys!! Take some time and watch how skydive operations work, he is not the only one who flies like that. And you all know that pilot has way more skill than most of you commenting on here saying how unsafe he is. Looks like the aircraft made a flawless landing to me, no different outcome than if a normal, boring 3 degree approach was made.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 4
You're partially correct, he definitely is skilled. The other thing he's got (on this flight) is lots of luck.
jim1105
Jimmy Reagan 4
He's got what looks like a good luck duck hanging from his mag compass. That's his secret!
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 3
That duck is also his backup attitude indicator :)
RyanAdams
Ryan Adams 3
Descent Checklist:

Duck-titude indicator Check
Prop Full Forward
Power Flight Idle
Airspeed 180 KTS
jimorr
jimorr orr 1
Dang straight Jeff. Also if he encounters IMC and looses his panel he just throws the duck out and follows it home. ;]
preacher1
preacher1 3
He definitely is skilled and several have alluded here to crop dusters doing it this way. That may just be the way these guys do it, BUT, a crop duster does it as part of the job. I just couldn't see the reason for it with a good airplane and wide open approach and airport. That's just me.
Decibel
Jim Nasby 2
preacher1: time is definitely money at a busy DZ. Not saying I agree with it, but there is more too it than just showboating.
BigDaddyBlue
BigDaddy Blue 2
If you got paid by the load, you would certainly get it.
Jourdan777
Jourdan777 2
joeScars
Joe Raio 2
ledstewart
ed stewart 2
This is the kind of flying that gives pilots the reputation of reckless and careless - Horrible example of judgement and sensibility.
ikiyasui
Rod Williams 2
Reminds me of an old saying about a dog that liked killing snakes....it eventually got bitten and died.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
After a ride like that, I think I'd just say "The next time I do that, it will be a mistake".
JonathonClague
JonathonClague 2
I don't want to put any bad grid-gri on your show, but dude .... It's just a matter of time. The next jump can wait a couple more minutes surely?
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
This is the kind of flying that gives skydiving a bad rap in the larger aviation community.
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 3
This talented pilot is in the wrong end of business.
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
Roger that ... he should be polishing a different sort of chair with his backside.
bbabis
bbabis 2
Even worse when seen from the ground. The wing was loaded quite heavily and elevator pulled the aircraft around on lineup. To name a few, misuse of the rudder, a wind gust, or the loss of either engine in the final turn would have been fatal. The only thing saving the bacon was excess airspeed which in itself is not the best thing for landing. I'm all for quick returns to keep the revenue flowing but they can be done safely. Why plan an approach leaving yourself no options if something goes wrong? And we all know nothing can go wrong,go wrong,go wrong.....
emagalhaes
Eugenio Magalhães 1
Precision Approach and Landing.
mechatroner
John Bergmans 1
Same music, more danger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k (Jeb Corliss, "Grinding the Crack" base jump)
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
To my thinking, the pilot makes BASE jumps from the Perrine Bridge in Twin Falls more attractive. I hope this doesn't run afoul of the grammar academy :)
airclaxon1
Paul Claxon 1
I used to do this but nothing this wild !
pfp217
pfp217 1
Is he in an Xingu?
chadkline2003
Bill Kline 1
Thats one crazzy pilot ( but good !) keeping it under control.
that would be more fun than the jump, Kool music too
Whos the music by?
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
insanely awesome
seaflyte
R W 1
Totally bloody awesome - obviously very confident in his abilities - would have loved to have been in the right hand seat :-)
72Tiger
Donald Scott 1
A real Cowboy, gonna beat the jumpers to the tarmac. One day he's gonna screw up big time.
waltgaub
walt gaub 1
Looks like it could be a Westwind Beech. Anyway, the goal is not to use any fuel on the way down to pick up the next load. Power to idle, push it over and stay shy of VNE. It's done every day at most drop zones that fly turbine aircraft. This guy just pushed it to an extreme. If he leveled out at 300' AGL on final we wouldn't be commenting on it at all.
patt46
paul patten 1
Aviation 101......stabilized approach. Works every time, this stuff doesn't. Check the statistics.
emagalhaes
Eugenio Magalhães 1
Beautiful but not the right. calculated risk
patt46
paul patten 1
I don't think anyone is questioning the unloading of the plane and getting down quickly. The final approach, I believe, is what separates those who know from those who don't.
ChayD
Chay Donohoe 1
Now that's what I call a narrow margin for error. Its like with some sports motorbikes, easy to throw around and deceptively forgiving on corners until you hit a patch of oil, then you're on your ass. I personally prefer to have a few thousand feet between me and the ground before messing around.
ricmech23
Ricardo Figueroa 1
Benguttery
Ben Guttery 1
I seem to recall some lore that if the pilot beats the jumpers to the ground, the divers owe him a case of beer.
mrbeech
mrbeech 1
As a jumper and jump pilot; my thought is "WHY"? One of these days he's going to destroy that airplane and piss off skydivers that will be stuck on the ground. Because I know jumpers, and that airplane crashing in a ball of fire will not damper the will to skydive...
Decibel
Jim Nasby 1
Maybe ATC asked him to expedite... ;)
Decibel
Jim Nasby 1
Preacher1: time is definitely money at a busy DZ. Not saying I agree with it, but there is more too it than just showboating.
benin
benin 1
I don't even want to know how he pulled off that landing with all the excess speed. probably with a lot of braking, and a hook and wire system system used on carriers. after that, he probably dumped some cash on new brake pads afterwards.
ehab4174
ehab ramadan 1
amazing landing very good video
thanks

ondine
Jo Hammond 1
How can anyone tolerate that stuffed animal dangling down in front of their vision?
RGabo
Gabor Ratky 2
AWOLNATION - Sail. Apparently not the only aviation video with this awesome piece of music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiA0nMiw1ho ;) Enjoy!
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
And how can the stuffed animal tolerate it? ;)
emagalhaes
Eugenio Magalhães 1
Beautiful, but not the correct. Calculated risk.
asc12
Andy Cornwell 1
The split-S drew my attention. I had a comment on that well before he leveled out on his "base leg." It was "Holy S#@."
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
At least as long as they aren't aboard during the fireball.
azcaz23
Alan Russell -1
shows you're as daft as what he is
dttdep
s l 1
Any landing you can walk away from is a good one
nairrb
Balakrishnan Nair 1
Great flying! The decent could pop your ears out LOL. It is good to have a practice sometimes so that you won't panic on a real emergency. I wont even dare to do it in a sim, however.
PilotSwede
Tyler Girouard 1
lawl at people who feel the need to try and argue/debate something they don't know anything about. It's a video, watch it and be done.
ynotssor
ynot ssor 2
Mssr. Nair stated "The decent could pop your ears out LOL."

Perhaps if one has a head cold of some sort it would pop ones ears IN, but the skydivers are usually experiencing a rate of -10kft./min. or greater without such problems.
bentwing60
bentwing60 3
Spoken like a true novice!
A1absolut
Diego Marelli 1
Envy, that's what you all...soooo "Pro" pilots ..if any here.. have... you'll never ever enjoy Flying like He...and some of Us here do...
and yes..He...me ..you all eventually will die....probably flying like that...or..by a cancer...
anybody here knows how?
RyanAdams
Ryan Adams 1
He is definitely showing off. But if you cant get that load up to altitude and back down in 20 mins you aren't making money. Less is better.
notaperfectpilot
notaperfectpilot 1
FSX, one thing, real life, another.

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RyanAdams
Ryan Adams 2
Yes the Split S-turn and the 60 degree turn downwind to final does seem to compromise safety to some degree.
bcsmith
Bruce Campion-Smith 0
Pretty impressive. He's probably flying that pattern many times a day and has obviously gotten pretty good at it.
skyfly12
shawn white 0
Hah! He beat the parachuters to the ground!I actually thought it was an awesome approach. I try similar things in FSX all the time, but I never can get the plane down as well as he did.
btweston
btweston -1

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unclebigpete
Peter Douglas 5
I just watched it again, and IMHO there wasn't any INVERTED flight, just steep turns. My guess is that he lands it like that several times a day, and practice makes perfect!
bentwing60
bentwing60 3
ricsep
Ricardo Sepulveda 2
King air?? Take a better look men.

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ricsep
Ricardo Sepulveda 2
Still trying to figure out, but the shape of the windows and the huge cabin space make me think is a DO28 with pt6.
Any guess?
unclebigpete
Peter Douglas 2
Yes, DO28
skyfly12
shawn white 1
Well, unless you exceed the max speed or G-ratings, there shouldn't be any damage to the plane...
Wimpyslimpy
W. Smith 1
Nuts, I agree; but he didn't exceed 60 degrees bankangle, did he?
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
Mssr. Rudd stated "he'll only kill himself as all the jumpers would be out"

The camera in the right seat is most likely being held by what we call "an observer" who (hopefully) lands with the plane.
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
or scrape the wing and cartwheel...
DaleWoodruff
Dale Woodruff 0
Hey Guys, Merry Christmas to all and have a safe Holiday with your families, Dale
n9733s
n9733s -1
As a former skydiver, I can attest that sometimes the jump plane is actually on the ground BEFORE the skydivers they released even touch down! One time had to abort a skydive due to clouds so I came down with the plane... wilder ride than any roller coaster I've been on an almost lost my lunch. These pilots do this dozens of times a day, the idea is to get on the ground fast to take up another waiting load of skydivers.

Another "skill" note, the Cessna at our DZ carried the minimal amount of fuel to reduce weight and carry more skydivers. On a couple of occasions the jump plane has run out of fuel and "dead stick" landing. All routine for these guys.
andrewstagg
Andrew Stagg 1
I'm not aware of a waiver for skydiving operations that exempts them FAR 91.151 (30 minute fuel reserve for Day VFR).
ynotssor
ynot ssor 0
Roger that, Andrew. Case in point:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20111217X73006

The "former skydiver" seems to negatively reinforce the opinion stated by many here that it only takes one time to prove the folly of ones reckless actions.
n9733s
n9733s 1
Andrew and Ynot - I'm not a pilot so I can't address the FAR's or waivers; I can just tell you specifically TWICE in my skydiving experience the pilot has had to dead stick. The DZ I jumped at is long since closed.

I don't know how the pilot calculated how much fuel needed but he could usually take up about 4 or 5 loads of skydivers packed liked sardines in a C-172 with the seats removed before needing to refuel.
ynotssor
ynot ssor 1
I firmly believe you n9733s (not a registered number), but am not willing to endorse such risk-taking flying in the modern day. Especially in the current litigious environment, most of us have far more personal monetary value than the few minutes it takes to keep track of fuel consumption and refuel as necessary.

To tie your track back in with the OP, in a low fuel situation such dive and bank angles would increase the chances for engine fuel starvation, given such careless fuel management as you seem to admire.
lucmonod
Luc Monod 0
In our club house at La Ferté Alais war birds meeting we had a view of a plane crashing on a roof the commentary was:
YOU WON'T WOW THE DEVIL
Good Safe Flights to all
Lucky Piper
ShooterAoD
Paul Slonaker 0
Really cool. Question for all...does anyone know the name of the music? Thanks