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Auburn University to phase out professional flight instruction

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Students who hoped to become pilots with degrees from Auburn University will now have to earn their professional flight degrees through another flight school. (www.oanow.com) More...

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canuck44
John Donaldson 11
They have to save money somewhere in order to pay president Jay Gogue $2,542,865 per year. Universities lead the way as examples to government...cut out the frivolous programs like the ATC, border security, etc. and pad out what is really important...consultants, lobbyists and political friends promoting green programs.

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WALLACE24
WALLACE24 3
Foreign enrollments are down.
canuck44
John Donaldson 3
...and now they make them learn to take off and land as well.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Locking cockpit doors and giving pilots pistols (decades behind the curve)kinda ended that tactic. Problem is there are a million other tactics that will work. The government always works reactively inlo proactively. Don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
Reckon the lust to be an airline pilot has faded to the point that it isn't worth the tuition to a high priced college when any sheepskin will do? You can get a lot of ratings for the price of one year at Auburn.
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
Somehow I doubt this..... Being a product of it myself.....
westfly
kyle estep 2
First off, I am betting they are paying the head football coach even more than the president. Second off I would say it's not much of a loss as the aviation science degree is a very limited degree. It has very little use or value outside of being a pilot. Employers don't see any translation to anything outside of flying. The aviation management degree, while not being as specific for flying a plane, is much better as a backup plan in case the student can't/doesn't want to keep flying. Plus I have seen from personal experience that almost no masters degrees are available to an aviation sciences B.S. where a management B.S. can go right into an MBA program that is very desirable in today's business world.
canuck44
John Donaldson 2
You are absolutely correct...Chizik earns $3.5 Million a year and is eligible for up to $1 Million bonus. They also pay their assistants well. Then again the football team brings in $60 Million in revenue (number 6 in the nation) giving the coach just over 5%, a pretty good investment.

...on the other hand, Presidents bring in ???.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/with_big_raises_auburn_makes_i.html
preacher1
preacher1 1
Hey buddy ro, you are probably right about the coaches pay and all but that link is dated June 2011. Malzahn came to Arkansas State as head coach in the 2011-2012 season, took the Red Wolves to #1 in the Sunbelt conference, then left after 1 season and went back to Auburn as the new head coach I thought.
mskierki
mskierki 1
Intellegence?
theschoolofchuck
Charles Collins 1
The reason colleges and universities can get away with this bullshit is because we demand college degrees from job-seekers. If employers would hire based on skills and abilities and not education level, these universities(or college degree corporations) wouldn't be able to jerk everybody around.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 2
Some of my crappiest employees had a college degree. Conversely, some of my best employees were basic HS.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Back in the day a college degree was practically non existent. The ones that did go were just looking for a draft deferment. Employers looked more at the person and work ethic than education. Out of 6 pilots and 5 mechanics at our group, not a one has a degree; a few up in the office do but even the CEO don't. That said, all have been there a good while and it wasn't a big deal when hiring on. Still not with our bunch but it is just about a requirement anymore whether needed or not.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
College degrees are a requirement now more than ever. Get this - go into a coffee shop on your way to work - those baristas? have to have a degree. Education's #1 in importance but come on, let's use some of those smarts in prioritizing.
theschoolofchuck
Charles Collins 1
Some of the smartest guys I ever worked with were mechanics and technicians. Some of the most clueless were engineers and business guys.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
A degree is not a guarantee of a job let alone a good job. Getting a job is one thing, excelling at it or even keeping it is another. There is always opportunity. Personally, working for a large corp. never had appeal (may as well be in politics). Always opportunity and the cream finds it. I might add that you can get a degree and be dumber than a box a rocks ! LOL
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Ya, in most cases it's all about work ethic and OJT. Course, a little common sense really helps. Lol
preacher1
preacher1 1
My daughter is a teacher, college educated, and smart as a tack, but doesn't have the common sense that God gave a goose. My boy home schooled thru HS, worked off and on since he was 14 and is starting his own business. Go figger.lol
theschoolofchuck
Charles Collins 1
All I'm saying is that nobody should have to purchase a college degree to get a job. If everybody in the entire world legitimately earned a Ph.D in medicine, business, and engineering it wouldn't change a thing except for the debt-level of everybody.
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
I've never heard of a degree being "purchased" from an accredited school. I think the word would be "earned".
preacher1
preacher1 1
You are correct but unfortunately, that is the way that it is.
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
My current, non-aviation employer and I would beg to differ with the end of your post. When I got furlough, my AU PFM degree saved my ass. I admit my surprise, but it turned out to make a big difference and helped me change careers immensely.
1flyer
William McAllister 1
The program at Auburn is a shadow of it's former self. In the past Auburn had an excellant Aviation Management program that was a good deal more than just pilots. I know, I'm a graduate of that program and have had a sucessful career in the Aerospace industry since I graduated in 1969. Having the flight program shut down is not as large a loss as what Auburn lost when it shut down the much larger and more comprehensive progam in the past. There is more to the industry than just the pilots.