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Bieber’s pilots ‘had to wear masks to block the weed’

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The behavior of Justin Bieber and his entourage including his father put the flight crew of this Super Bowl bound flight in danger as well as themselves. Hopefully the FAA will investigate this incident further and take some action. (pagesix.com) More...

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mikeoxlong
mike oxlong 37
flight crew shouldve stopped the flight
devsfan
ken young 1
I cannot agree more.
preacher1
preacher1 -1
Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but a 45 minute flight and coming to the house, probably wasn't much else to do anyway
AABABY
Preacher, Isn't er some sort of Pilot's association to take this sort issue to? AOPA? NTSB? FAA? Somebody should be able to field the basic issue to prevent further problems of this nature. What say you?
AABABY
By the way, Preacher, Given your common sense attitude coupled with no nonsense, I would ride in anything you would be in command of.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 28
Sorry, this would not happen on my bird. I will not put my ticket at risk for this jerk nor any other. I'd be calling for authorities to meet the plane and it would not surprise me if that flight crew did so just to protect themselves.

But Beiber's group was also abusing the flight attendant to the point the captain asked her to remain with them near the cockpit for the remainder of the flight.

If the 135 operation does not defend its employees against any actions by such a jerk client with Beiber's history that operation deserves to go under.
siriusloon
siriusloon 26
If the smoke was so bad that the pilots felt it necessary to wear oxygen masks, then they should have declared an inflight emeregency with an unruly passenger and diverted to the first available airport. Clearly, no one has ever said "no" to this twerp and he keeps getting away with whatever he wants. We need to stop making stupid people famous.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 4
I believe it was the pilot who alerted ATC to have cops available upon landing. As bad as it was he likely figured an arrest was quite likely.

But the smoked all the obvious evidence then failed to search the plane well enough before releasing Beiber.
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
Can't fix stupid! He didn't personally pay for that charter....he is scared he's turning 20! Won't be a Teeney Bopper any more...whine....whine...whine. :(
7express
max lyons 16
Send this punk back to Canada. Put him on a remote Island, like Baffin Island, so the poor Canadians don't even have to hear from him again.
lynx318
lynx318 4
Let the polar bears sort him out, PERMANENTLY!
wopri
Baffin Island is not remote enough though....
euronorb
euronorb 2
I agree :)
bbabis
bbabis 14
It appears that this crew acted professionally. You do what's necessary to complete the mission as safely as possible. Don't do anything to aggravate or elevate the situation. Make a report and say never again. Now knowing how this group rolls, any company willing to take their money and provide transportation is assuming the risk.
preacher1
preacher1 10
Lot's of big talk here, but a 45 minute flight in that congested airspace. You do what you gotta do and get tem on the ground quickly.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
Preach on Preacherman!!!
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 26
Beiber needs a "no strings attached" skydiving adventure.
flybd5
Juan Jimenez 25
time to send this punk back to canada.
euronorb
euronorb 12
We dont want him back.
jbstevenson1704
There is a way - Go to www.whitehouse.gov and sign the petition to export this twit (250,000+ already have). He's a bad influence on our youth and by these antics endangering dedicated pilots and flt crews as well as people on the ground. Enough is enough.
AABABY
According to the website, the number is actually 32,288 signed and 67,712 signatures needed by February 23rd, 2014 for the petition to be considered.
You will need to have, or create an account in order to sign a petition.
Now 67,709 needed since I started this post.
jbstevenson1704
Frank, there are several petitions about this loser. When on the 'Petitions' page, click "Popular". It's the #1 Petition with a current vote of 252,069. To vote you only need to have a legit email and set up a password. Sorry Canada, we know you don't want him either, but between the Hiltons and the Kardashians, we have have too many that already need to be deported to the land of "My 15 minutes of fame for doing nothing of value".
AABABY
Well, James, with over 250,000 signatures, it's definitely on the attention list. I must have seen a new one. Thanks for the information.
Anyway, 'deport' is such a harsh term for one so youthful and STUPID!
How about declaring him 'Persona Non Grata' with a 'No Fly' notation instead? That way if he decides to grow up, he could still be a productive entertainer.
Or, Just deport him!
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
I read somewhere he's on the DHS watch list. That could put him on a no-fly list.

If that's the case and after this stunt, he'll likely be rejected by several 135 operators.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Out of curiosity, when one's on the No Fly, does that apply solely to commercial flying...would he still be able to charter a plane? Or is No Fly exactly that - NO fly?
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
As far as I know, it's purely commercial air carriers where manifests are checked against the list.

It could possibly apply to international charter since operators are required to file a manifest with DHS.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
The list applies to charter also, as in 135.
wireguy
We don't want either.
isardriver
isardriver 1
now we're talking'. that punk is an a$$ clown, and shame on his dad as well. apparently, whatever comes his way is still not enough for him to learn his lesson.
btweston
btweston -6
...Why? For smoking pot?
tpmorrow
tpmorrow 18
No, not for smoking pot. For being so self-absorbed in his "I'm so f-ing wonderful" fantasy that he and his entourage think they're above it all. For believing that they can abuse anything and anyone who get in their way, for the sole reason that he's a "star" - or worse, and "artist". For abusing people who were certainly doing their best to be civil, who want to keep their jobs, and for being an all-around jerk.
When it's all said and done, he's just another run-of-the-mill an a--hole.
preacher1
preacher1 4
well said
UFO1
Jim Schaefer 2
Someone needs to bit*hslap some sense into him , he is still acting like a 12 year old , if he keeps it up , he`ll be the next one to die of a heroin overdose....
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
The truly pathetic part of all that is he's right. It would appear he is.
SootBox
SootBox 13
For being a punk.
rkmeisterx
Ronald Kraus 2
No, not for smoking pot, but both his "father" and him for being total asses.
BluegrassFlyer
Randy Michel 9
I'm not familiar with a Gulfstream's pressurization system. Since the crew and flight attendant had oxygen bottles, why not just climb above 14,000 and lower the pressurization enought to knock the passengers out? If they were becoming verbally abusive and were deemed a threat, to the point of keeping the flight attendant up front, sometimes you have use the plane's systems to quell the threat.
carlsonj
James Carlson 1
Nice idea, and you might get away with it under part 91, but not under part 135 -- 135.157 requires at least 10% of the passengers to have oxygen below FL150 and all of them above that. So, you'd at least have to declare an emergency to pull that trick off.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Who would know?
linkenheimer
David Shaw 1
In this day and age of social media I would hazard a guess at about the same time it would get that g5 back to Canada.
nasdisco
Chris B 7
It wont be long until he gets caught.
jmilazzo
joe milazzo 13
Something isn't right here!!!!! They should have been arrested for interfering with flight crew.....period!! They were asked to stop their illegal behavior and fail to do so. This would have put the Beib on the no fly list and the asshole would be stuck taking greyhound!!!!!
Wayne47
I expect that they flushed or eat or otherwise effectively concealed any leftover joint residue so there would be no evidence. One news outlet reportedly quoted a member of group as saying they were expecting to be searched for drugs.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Is it possible this plane is his own and the crew his employees? Should that be the case, they'd probably bite the bullet and move on.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
No, that G-IV is owned by Meridian Charter out of Teterboro.
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 1
That's what I said earlier. Something doesn't add up. I'm not doubting that B and dad are assholes. I just don't understand the no evidence and no charges if the alleged really happened or was greatly exaggerated.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
By the time they landed, there was no obvious evidence. The jerk party was released by the cops. Then they did a more detailed search of the plane where they found packaging that had trace amounts of pot but no clear indication of the owner so no charges were filed.

In the end, it was a risk on the flight crew, harassment of the FA and an escape by the guilty parties.

Hopefully, word will get around to enough 135 operators they'll refuse business from this jerk. I can't imagine any legitimate operator wanting that taking place on their planes, especially those that get turned over so fast to different passengers.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, as far as "FLIGHT CREW INTERFERENCE", that wouldn't have happened unless the crew had pressed it. They didn't. I think they just wanted them gone and call it a bad day at work.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I think the story said the also found some stems too. Ain't no doubt they could have come up with something drug/alcohol related to hold them on but I imagine the cops were wanting them gone as bad as the next guy.LOL
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 3
The drug-sniffing dogs alerted to 2 passengers bags (one of may or may bit have been Bieber). However they never found any evidence. Clearly they smoked it all as the cabin was thick with marijuana smoke.

The party was detained for over 6 hours, so they were weighting their options. My guess is that they got a fast and aggressive response from some big-name law firm. Since there was no evidence, they lawyers quickly ascertained that the authorities had no case, and insisted that the party not be denied entry without cause. Again, that's just my guess as to happened behind the scene for 6 or more hours.

But that a 5 minute transition turned into a 6-hour ordeal shows that something was up. Anyone else may have spent the night in jail, and then released only the next day. Of maybe they'd be refused entry and sent back to Toronto.

It was Bieber's big bucks and high-priced criminal lawyers that prevented a more appropriate action. The lawyers wouldn't want a legally-significant action like deportation (or more precisely entry refusal) to adversely impact one of Bieber's other 2 on-going criminal complaints.

A 6-hour detainment without any actionable discovery is much more preferable than an adverse customs and immigration action.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
* the dogs alerted to 2 passengers bags, one of which may or may NOT have belonged to Bieber.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
hmbval
Bob Prevot 6
If we ignore him long enough, he will die of an overdose like the rest of the Hollywood idiots.
ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 11
The US gave the world Miley Cyrus. In retaliation, Candada gave us Justin Bieber.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
This feud started in the 80's with Men without hats!!!
gweeks550
Gary Weeks 5
Wont be long before all of the reputable operators refuse to carry this wanker.
z274123
paul paul 5
He should be deported
mariofer
mariofer 5
Doesn't this fall under the U.S. Code § 46504, Interference with flight crew members and attendants? After all, even if it is a private jet, a Gulfstream dropping out of the sky on top of a populated area would not be pretty.
westdr1dw
Daryl West 5
Want to get his attention? Stop allowing your kids to attend his concerts and buying his music. When the pain is felt in lost revenue he will get his act together or fade away,
jimgoldmanjr
James Goldman 5
Totally agree that such behavior endangers people on the ground. Maybe appropriate protests should be made to the State Department by professional pilots or their representative group.
adrianuscornelisse
Correct, parents who allow their children to participate in any of his activities must accept some degree of responsibility. You clearly identified how to achieve that by not purchasing anything that is associated with that character. You can make that one hundred percent effective by not buying anything in a store that has his material for sale.
UFO1
Jim Schaefer 1
The little loser will just buy his own G5 . Hopefully the "flight attendant" will be a DEA officer...
linkenheimer
David Shaw 1
True, so true but sadly there is a part 135 operator somewhere who would be glad to cash a check for that charter
UFO1
Jim Schaefer 1
To the Moon
MACGSO
MACGSO 4
USC 46504:

"An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. However, if a dangerous weapon is used in assaulting or intimidating the member or attendant, the individual shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life."

20 years sounds good to me.
airclaxon1
Paul Claxon 7
I would have landed the plane, kicked them off, and left them out in nowhere.....
preacher1
preacher1 4
Then explain it to your boss
avihais
Martin Haisman 6
If your boss does not understand then he needs the big finger as you walk out the door. Legal right of the captain to restrain or if unable diffuse the situation as quick as possible. That means land asap and kick them off.
Av8nut
Michael Fuquay 4
Why not? Declaring an emergency and diverting because of smoke in the cabin, is a completely viable reason. We've all heard the horror stories of people getting kicked off pre-flight for things a lot less threatening.
AABABY
Could have diverted to -- How about Philadelphia? Even W.C. Fields would rather be there.
And it would have been an unavoidable delay for the entire party.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT -1
I don't think the two of you understand what most of the 135 industry is about, you put up and shut up with the passengers bs. That's why they charter. Now if you don't need the job's money, then you could afford to give the boss the finger. It's not like the airlines or a well established Part 91 company where you could put your foot down legitimately or ground the airplane and walk away from it...
Inhaling weed isn't life threatening, a lot of people were conceived in weed aroma filled rooms, fields, etc...
Av8nut
Michael Fuquay 4
Thrustt - I suppose the 135 industry is the "look the other way industry"?
Ever heard of guilty by association? (much like an oblivious driver with a group of bank robbers?)
If a pilot knowingly aids people in their illegal behavior, not only should the people actively doing the illegal acts be guilty, but so should the pilots and any accessory people. Celebrities and their chauffeurs/pilots should not be exempt from the law, regardless of how life-threatening the acts are.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Like I said in a couple of other places, welcome to the real 135 world and they ain't all trashy operators, and BS like this IS WHY they charter
preacher1
preacher1 0
Give 'em hell, Thrustt
AWAAlum
AWAAlum -1
No offense to all of you pilots, but I wouldn't want to be stuck in a plane with a crew high on weed. (Unless they shared-j/k.)
adrianuscornelisse
Donna, Donna, bend over!
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
There are times, exactly such as this one, when I wish I hadn't been raised with proper breeding. It prevents me from saying specifically what I'd like, however, had I not, I'm reasonably certain you know what two words I'd type as a response to you.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Excuse me?
adrianuscornelisse
I am a little confused here. I interpreted the comments in between brackets (unless they shared) as a cute form of humour. My response therefore is intended as humour. If I offended you, please accept my apologies.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
Interpreted from what post? I've lost track of what some people are replying to!
adrianuscornelisse
In the opening post by Donna Peterson:
No offense to all of you pilots, but I wouldn't want to be stuck in a plane with a crew high on weed. (Unless they shared-j/k.)
linkenheimer
David Shaw 1
were you flying with Justin and his father too?
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 4
Not me. My biggest addiction is to Kahlua on my ice cream.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 0
This is weird, I did respond to this a long while ago and it's disappeared. Here goes again: you are correct, I was making a little joke, and also I misunderstood your response - and admit to being utterly dense cuz I still don't get your reply. But if it was meant in jest, whatever it means, mea culpa.
rjudy175e
Richard Judy 6
Send this miserable excuse for a human (and his "posse") back to Canada...I'm thinking somewhere WAY NORTH...say Yellowknife where we can't hear form this punk again.

I understand there is a fine line between making the client happy and a safe flight. I'd say the Captain should have set down and walked off the plane until this mess was cleaned up
wayne007
Wayne Jeffrey 6
Why punish the poor folk of Yellowknife?!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 3
Don't work that way in the real 135 world, he'd be out of a job if he did that!!!
bennettgaryw
Gary Bennett 3
Would on my bird!
preacher1
preacher1 2
Yep. Whole lot of big and righteous talk on here but reality sets in when you get in the trenches. Cops maybe, diversion no. That's the real world.
iffdelta
As PIC I would have simply declared a hazardous flight condition and terminated their ride a lot sooner.
jfflyboy
jfflyboy 3
Don masks, declare an emergency, dump the cabin.
Kimikaze
Kimikaze 2
Perfect response.
vetteguy1
Bill Johnson 2
Why not send the little retard back to Canada, along with his stupid father. Do these people think that because they're "celebrities", they can abuse people? He already proved how immature he was with the rental car incident.
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 2
I wonder where the flight originated. He was in Stratford on the weekend, so I am guessing YKF or YYZ?
remymerm
can we deport him now?
Wayne47
It sounds like charter operators and pilots have little choice or discretion in the nature of the behavior their pax may want to engage in....when drugs are involved that creates flight safety issues not just for those in charter flight but everyone who shares airspace with them. The FAA needs to step in and take some action if the Charter operators and pilots are conflicted about getting tough with pax who create dangerous situations by their behavior. Is use of the airspace a right or a privileged?
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 2
Looks like he took the same bird home http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N728LB
skylloyd
skylloyd 2
I also think that if one of the pilots had a pending physical, and THC showed up in a "P" test, guess what their done. Anyone involved in transportation is subject to random drug test.
chalet
chalet 2
Burn, baby, burn to ashes but don't endager other -and honest- people's lives.
ronswen
ron swenson 2
Obviously this brat just doesn't get it! After all the bad publicity he's been rendering on himself lately, now this. Is he trying to outdo certain other naughty celebrities or what? Apparently, extremely wealthy people think they're invincible and can commit any atrocity they want by flashing their money as a shield to deflect law enforcement. If I were the flight crew, I would have walked off and left the plane sitting there. Amen.
rwb2112
rwb2112 2
Ed Force One pilot Bruce Dickinson would've handled it a bit different
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79573839@N02/12348414093/
RobertBogdan
Robert Bogdan 2
cant we ship him back to canada in a cattle car (wild animal a..
epsteih
epsteih 2
The media should come down hard on this immature child and give him no publicity.
The flight crew could have declared an emergency if they felt they were in danger of becoming under the influence of the marijuana and landed at the nearest suitable airport to be met by law enforcement.
jgg64
John Garduno 2
That kid is bad news, the pilots are flying a super high performance plane, the captain is the boss in the sky, , Bieber is a shit head. ....!!!!
JimHeslop
Jim Heslop 2
Should have kicked them out at 10,000 ft. Crew would be able to clear out the cabin and the Dweebers would have a fully conscious trip to "TERRAIN"
adrianuscornelisse
Here is where the Pilot's Association should step in and lay charges. The same measures should be applied by the Associations of any supporting staff that were aboard such as the stewards. This character should be confined to private road transportation only for the rest of his life. Apologies should NOT be accepted under any circumstances. Any parent who allows their children to attend any performance in which he participates, should be charged with child abuse.
trinityair
I would have landed the aircraft and made JB take a bus!!
johncook1
john cook 2
I like the "Tumbleweed" maneuver.
RECOR10
RECOR10 4
Nope - Leave it to Bieber was filmed in Atlanta with "Diddy" last night...I hate myself for knowing that.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
LOL!!

I didn't know that. But I find that too often I do know completely ridiculous information about celebrities. It's everywhere. Broadcast news is increasingly picking up celebrity news. But even online, newspapers/media and google news page have celebrity news headlines.

At least online, it's one's own choice to click on those pseudo-news items, or not. On broadcast news, we have no choice other than to turn it off.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 3
The FAA now has some interest in the case. As some of know, the FAA is not quite so forgiving as some of the other politically correct agencies.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/07/showbiz/bieber-flight/index.html
preacher1
preacher1 3
Yep, and I don't care what anybody says about 2nd had smoke, it will get you. It would have at the least grounded them until they could have gotten some kind of OK from their MRO. Sad part is that Coke and all the hard stuff gets gone out of the system pretty quick but the THC stays in the body fats for about 6 weeks.
adrianuscornelisse
Thank for this info. I hope they succeed where other did not.
ysfsim
Ant Miraa 2
We don't want him
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, most of those rules of which you speak are already in place in some form or fashion. It comes down, sad to say, of a matter of economics. While these guys had the O2masks and it was a short flight, they probably decide they could make it and liked their jobs; you'll notice that all this was said/posted after the fact
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
It all comes down to the "money"!
AABABY
Does SWA even fly to Canada?? Maybe they should. Oops, wrong airport, again.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I will add here that this was Meridian's plane and they were home so there wasn't that much worry about it going back out. To boot, with the bowl that weekend and the airport being in the NO FLY on Sunday, I doubt they scheduled it anyway.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
That must not be a busy charter op for it to sit for so many days.
kea001
Tom Kearney 3
You can see by the way he pulled a hard right that the pilot was under the influence of something.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N728LB (NOTE: That was a joke)
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
That's just the way he flies, I used to fly with him...
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, he probably paid for it, but I imagine there was a different crew at least, although you never know.
papaok8y
Mary Lambert 1
Why didn't they land immediately and have these clowns arrested?
lsharpe69
lsharpe69 1
Gives new meaning to the cold war vernacular known as 'the world of high flying'. A phrase generally reserved for astronauts, U-2 and SR-71 pilots. I could think of a million one-liners here that may invoke a chuckle, but this isn't exactly a laughing matter. There seems to be a level of hubris among the star-struck wealthy of our world that leads them to believe they can play by their own special set of rules. If anything good comes from this episode, it's the fact this once rising tween heart-throb is being revealed for what he really is, i.e. an arrogant, ignorant, wanna be a rap star, loser. If this was a publicity stunt? I hope it backfires and sends his career into a low altitude stall.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
This is the best idea I've seen since I first heard this little punk's name!

https://www.facebook.com/ilike9news/photos/a.473984071076.287633.263743636076/10152151409241077
tonyh2008
Tony H 1
The strange part is, Canada will refuse people admittance if they run a random check and find any criminal history, ANY.
You can have a DWI in any other country and they will turn you away at the gate. But we let their scum across our boarder all day everyday.
tonyh2008
Tony H 1
He will get too loose one day after he gets a bloated enough untouchable attitude after getting by with this crap enough...
Then he will stumble and get busted.. He and his punk crowd will be real popular in jail. He's a cupcake and the jailhouse regulars will have him for a light snack.
iflysingleengine
David Prokop 1
As a pilot I would stop the flight and if you are PIC it is the responsibility of the PIC to go or no go and drugs and Aviation do not mix at all
tonyh2008
Tony H 1
What a bloody douche bag! He is going to be in company with other dumbasses that had a fortune handed to them on a silver platter and then partied it all away after their popularity dissipated... Believing all those leeches and vultures that are lingering around hoping for him to dump some scraps their way is another fast track to ruin. Ask Hammer and Iron Mike.
tonyh2008
Tony H 1
What a dumb shit! I would've declared an emergency for smoke and landed at the nearest airport with a customs. Then he would've gotten locked up. But no worries! When he grows up and maybe grows a pair of balls his voice will change and he'll lose his popularity and won't be able to afford a private jet. He'll be lucky if he can buy a coach ticket after he's 25. Hes a natural born d-bag. Just be patient folks.
jguerra53
jorge guerra 1
Should be in jail, All of them
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Personally, I would have notified the Authorities to meet the aircraft. Pull "Baby, Baby, Baby "Bieb's", his low-life father and posse and escort the low lifes to the county pokie! Since these guys are sooo connected to the hip, they'll get along just peachy in a 9x5 cell together! If this didn't happen...then these guys were in total violation of the FAR's and I have a problem with the charter company not supporting the crew members or if the crew members wanted to lay low to keep their jobs. Is this not a universal FAR? The FAA is investigating the situation. Doubt it will go anywhere because $$$$ talks. I say, give Beib's and his greedy scum bag body guards...and don't forget Dad... a one-way ticket to "Bum F**k Egypt!!!
devsfan
ken young 1
There is no one more in need of a severe ass kicking than Bieber.
timhoy
Tim Hoy 1
That's what the DUMP valve is for. Good night Bieber!
RWetherbee
RWetherbee 1
Must of ran out of munchies. That makes everyone unruly.
SootBox
SootBox 1
Where's an F16 with some A2A's when you need one?
daveblevins52
Dave Blevins 1
And when that "no strings attached" skydive happens, maybe his so-called lawyers could take the same lesson.
daveblevins52
Dave Blevins 1
What a waste.
TWA55
Shame on the flight crew...should have found the nearest airport and called the feds in to take this low life and friends to jail where they belong. I hope they lose their license.
Crash501
Les Ede 1
this bieber is a low life piece of trash....it is unfortunate so many of our young people look up to this piece of garbage
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I'm not certain, but I don't believe the Association is able to do so - it would be hearsay. I think it's "the injured parties" who have to bring suit / file charges.
Crash501
Les Ede 1
this bieber is a low life piece of crap....it is unfortunate that so many of our young people look up to this piece of trash.....
jimgoldmanjr
James Goldman 1
I'm totally with Ken Lane on not allowing that conduct on board an aircraft. Have the authorities greet the plane on arrival.And abuse of cabin crew has some legal liability as well.
SenecaFlyboy
SenecaFlyboy 1
DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?? ENJOY YOUR CONTACT HIGH!! Toxicology Reports would be interesting if that Bird had any problems.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I do wish they'd hurry up and return the little horror back to Canada.
adrianuscornelisse
I cannot understand why this piece of shit gets away with those violations to other passengers and crew.
Ritchie52
He's a naughty boy, if he doesn't come to his senses he'll go the usual way that over indulging celebs go...being dead prematurely.
WillisRF
Beiber will kill himself just like Michael Jackson did only a lot sooner..
lindaqueen05
Linda Queen 1
Bieber needs a good old fashioned spanking like the snotty 5 year old he is. Unfortunately mommy and daddy like his money too much to make sure he doesn't grow up a loser. Oh. Too late. Make it a stiff kick to the a$$.
WolfieGreene
Dee Greene 1
He is such a embarrassment to us. Just send him back to us and don't let him back into the US.
vceccola
Vince Ceccola 1
Bieber used Meridian for the charter...

Meridian is a full-service, private aviation company based at Teterboro Airport (KTEB) in Bergen County, NJ, located just minutes from New York City. Over the years, we have earned numerous industry awards and accolades for our world-class service and state-of-the-art facility. We cater to a wide variety of private aviation needs because we own and operate businesses that include Aircraft Management, Aircraft Maintenance, Air Charter, and a luxurious Executive Terminal / FBO that was completed in 2006.

http://www.meridian.aero/

Seems strange that they flew him back to Van Nuys, though.

He didnt use Meridian for the Miami drag racing arrest flight to Panama City, though.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/HPJ5/history/20140125/0030ZZ/KOPF/MPTO
Av8nut
Michael Fuquay 1
I suppose the green handshakes carried over to law enforcement.
jguerra53
jorge guerra 1
Should be in Jail , all of them
adrianuscornelisse
As you can clearly see how one incident can do a lot of damage to an aviation company even though it has earned numerous industry awards and accolades if one does not take appropriate action.
linkenheimer
David Shaw 1
Curious what public comment Meridian Aviation has made about this episode? I'm sure there have been many unofficial comments but what public statement has surfaced. Have not read anything public. Anyone with a link?
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
The crew tried to do the best they could. It was a short flight and it was probably them who alerted more than just CBP to be at the airport to receive the jerks.
adrianuscornelisse
Well I hope something happens. Reading most of the comments, it is clear that there is a high level of frustration that nothing is being done.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Loser Keeps Bieber is funny. But a 'Damaged Goods Returned' refund policy is more equitable.

Those Canadians already got rid of him once. They may play to the death to not have to take him back.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It appears that may be exactly what happened.

The flight was very short. In 45 minutes, they barely had enough time to ascend and descend. CBP officers were waiting for them. The party was held for 6 hours. They searched for drugs.

Had they found physical evidence beyond the smell, things may have turned out differently. But it appears none of the crew were willing to be part of a 'he said, she said' fiasco, after being safely on the ground. The party had been detained. The plane, passengers and baggage had been searched. But no corroborating evidence was found.

We'll have to wait and see what the FAA will do if anything.

But after waiting around 6-7 hours, even the crew would want to go home themselves too, if they were still there. If they had long since gone, then the authorities had nothing. Nothing but it smells funny. The participants have long since been counseled to say nothing (given the previous incidents).

It may have been the prosecuting authorities that made the decision that without corroborating evidence, that they wouldn't bother to press any charges. So, we're all just speculating that the lack of prosecution is entirely due to unwillingness of the crew to press charges. But I add that it may actually have been the prosecutors, that elected not to have a 'smells like a joint was smoked up in here' circus prosecution and aquittal.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I'm in complete agreement, but by the same token, I can understand it as well. It's hard to imagine being his young age and receiving the adoration of the crowds and the amounts of money he's pulling in. He can do whatever he wants. Many adult celebrities act the same. But he hasn't reached a level of maturity via any semblance of normalcy. Too much too soon with no apparent supervision. I cant see any real happiness in his future.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
The above post is in response to Adrianus Cornelisse's post. Don't know what happened to position it up top.
devsfan
ken young 2
The fact that Bieber gets said adoration is a black mark on our society.
If I had a youngster or two in my house and they asked me to go see this a-hole perform, I'd first tell them to do some checking on the kind of person Bieber is. Then if they further begged and pleaded I would tell them, ok you can go....When it snows here in July. Case closed.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
I understand that Photo. Short flight...but they sure had enough time to fill the cabin with smoke and rip the FA a new one! He is going to walk without even a slap on the wrist for this incident. This guy is like a virus that won't go away. The unfortunate part is that he is the poster child for young kids to give them the green light to act disrespectfully and have no regard for authority.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 0
He already has a huge stash, and would smoke and drug himself to death long before running out of cash. Don't hold your breath waiting for him to fly coach.
tonyh2008
Tony H 0
Yeah.. As quickly as he's spending it... He's following a lot of people who had stashes down a familiar road to ruin...
Names like Mike Tyson and MC Hammer come to mind.. Both were worth more than most can spend I. A lifetime.
Only total idiots can go bankrupt after having tens of millions in the bank. And this douche fits the bill perfectly.
hank7716
Liam Henry 1
This has got to stop the Captian of the aircraft is in charge and the plane should have diverted to the nearest airport and had police and he should have requested DEA and FAA reps. I would like to know the charter group and make their life a living hell. I wish that the crew did return to origin of flight but I think the charter company would have made their lives a living hell. I would like to say that if you have a DUI in the states in the past 2 years you are not allowed to enter Canada. This little sh*t is here in the U.S. on a work visa send him back and not allow him to re-enter the U.S. and make him an undesirable to enter the U.S.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Welcome to the world of 135
Pappyjoe
Pappy Joe 1
Canada gave the US Justin Bieber and we don't want him back. We don't accept damaged goods returned
Pappyjoe
Pappy Joe 1
A petition with over 100,000 signatures has been presented to the US government to deport Bieber. With 100,000 signatures the government has to address it
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
"Had to wear masks to block the weed."

Would be hilarious, if the second hand smoke didn't have the potential to lead to flying under the influence charges. The pilots would've have easily gotten off, as the Bieb seems to.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
This is DRAMA!!! I highly doubt on a 45 min. flight it would be this extreme...
hank7716
Liam Henry 1
Drinking or taking drugs in the pill form will not put the crew at risk. Unless the idiot attempts to enter the flight deck or attempts to access other flight equipment. That will be the day that smoking reefer is going to be allowed on flights. The nice thing about states allowing smoking that is fine on federal property it is not. Aircraft fall under federal regulations and I will say this if you were on my ride you would loose your argument when you landed.
Darrens
Darren Shields 5
Even if it didn't it would have been an eye irritant and therefore a hazard to safe operation of the flight. It's a shame what those with money or influence get away with. :-(
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 3
Did you see Cheech and Chong?....doesn't take long!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
I saw Chong's daughter!!!
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 2
Certainly represents new and innovative use for the oxygen mask :)
grinch59
Gene Nowak 2
No, NECESSARY use to remain coherent and competent to fly the aircraft safely.
AABABY
Actually, Pappy, the term is "Canadian Goods Returned." That means show proof of origin and travel on. Damaged or not.
ehnf12
ehnf12 1
adrianuscornelisse
You are correct Frank, it is our responsibility to deal with the good but also with the garbage, and that he is.
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 0
Something smells fishy here. Why wouldn't they press charges? I suspect the two were abusive and this is the 'get even' equalizer.
linbb
Boyd Butler 10
Real easy if they pressed any charges the company would dismiss them due to the publicity and possibly other customers not wanting to fly with the operator due to the fact what else are they going public with on others. Part of the job the do just like others who have to deal with those type of people.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Sad but true, but even a charter pax must realize there are limits. Some don't though and all you can do is get them to where they are going and on the ground.
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 1
But the crew made it very public so why would that be any different than pressing charges? Just asking.
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 6
Looks like he got his brains from his father. You know what they say about the apple....
kb9bsi
John Wrycza 1
N___LB < 16oz of the last legalized drug?
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 3
So, you wage war on the entire forum with profanity because of a few who are not even pilots?

I propose there be a warning to all members who use such profanity and be given one warning with the second being a suspension of posting privileges for thirty days.

This includes those who quote the profanity.

I'm not at all fond of Bieber regardless of his origination. But if that means his nonsense and attitude should dictate he be shipped back to Canada, that's Canada's problem. I'm sure the United States suffers less than desirable accolades for some that embarrass this country.

But the language needs to end here. It serves no purpose and only decreases the credibility of the poster.

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KennyFlys
Ken Lane 4
"Silverstreak" or whoever you are, I'm reporting your post.

Such as this is not what the majority of people come here for. I don't want to read it nor should anyone else.

I agree at least one person went over the top with their comment. But you do not help the situation. Then your personal attack on other members destroys all credibility.
AABABY
Looks like management cleaned the "streaks" off the website.
Thanks, management.
grinch59
Gene Nowak 1
The account I read was the private pilots refused to press charges and there wasn't any "weed" found on the plane. Therefore, no evidence.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 1
By the way, if you were here for more than waging war against others with the mere four post you've made and read my other posts in the past, you would know what I fly.

I've never hidden data about myself nor my experience. I seem to be one of few who uses a real name.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
These pilots liked their jobs flying VIP pasengers around, more than they wanted to press charges against Bieber or his posse.

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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I don't know how to say this kindly, I wish I did - but - your comment is a disgrace as well. That's a terrible thing to say.
Duncanp
Duncan Peterson -2
As someone from the 60's I can tell you, you don't have the vaguest idea of what you are talking about!
n7224e
BC Hadley -2
Isn't it illegal to smoke marijuana on an airplane?
grinch59
Gene Nowak 1
Wasn't it a private charter? That's the impression I got from the incident.
Wayne47
Yes it was a charter however in other reports Beiber uses the plane frequently...do not if it is with same or different pilots.

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bennettgaryw
Gary Bennett 6
Wow what a IDOIT!
JJ7
JJ Johnson -7
You can't even spell IDIOT correctly. So,,,who is the IDIOT?? I know your brain is pickled from all of that legal ALCOHOL served on commercial flights. I will cut you a break.
neillaferty
Neil Laferty 5
This is not about legalization. That is a separate argument. This is about a hazard to the flight. At the very least, it was an unnecessary distraction that the crew had to try to deal with. Arguments about second-hand smoke aside, the presence of that much marijuana smoke may have made it more difficult for the crew to discern an electrical or other fire emergency as a separate event, especially with masks on.
bennettgaryw
Gary Bennett 2
Knew you would fall for it! Its an acronym. Figure it out...
stevooz
steve rogers -5
I realy don't think the americans want to send him home , that punk as you call him , brings millions of dollars to the American economy , sure we would rather see him come home ,but hes too busy filling all your stadiums , smoking pot on an airplane? ,gee I bet hes the first rock star to do that !!
btweston
btweston -5
These bros can't hang, dude.
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
It's never the "principle ".........it's the money every time....bottom line is what matters at this point. Slip the money here and there!
beechjunk
beechjunk -6
Just from a factual stand point, second hand smoke will not intoxicate you. Anyone who tells you they test positive because they were at a party and people around him were smoking pot is LYING. Not defending the Beib but the misinformation of intoxication by proximity is just plain false. Now from a safety stand point an open flame is a safety concern, even with the stringent fire blocked fabric required by 135.
Duncanp
Talking as someone from the 60's I can tell you, you don't have the vaguest idea of what you are talking about!
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 4
Right... and the CO2 resulting from a burning material won't displace oxygen, either.

Where did you pick up that nonsense???

Second hand smoke for normal use may or may not be picked up. It is indeed possible to take in enough THC that can trigger a test.

However, go back to the description in this scenario. Did you read the article? This was NOT normal smoking. It was several people smoking in what was effectively an air-tight capsule. There is air turnover in a jet but not nearly as fast as in a normal room at sea level. Only about half of the is fresh with the remainder being circulated. How well any HEPA filters might remove any of that particulate before recirculation is another story, even if they're installed.

This was far from a normal scenario. Even if they flight crew was not getting high, if it was enough smoke to affect their ability to do the first job at hand then it was too much smoke regardless of the amount without any intoxicants.

And, last I heard breathing in smoke is not exactly a healthy act to begin with.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I know several MRO's that will take issue with you on this and they are paid well for their drug positions with their various companies.
hulkizz
nelly madore -1
Bieber is a JERK. I'm no sure why the first commandant abort the fly.
pilot1943
John Lessard 0
If I was the Captain I would have landed at the first sign of smoke and picked an airport in the middle of no where and landed . then booted them off the aircraft. Bieber should be sent back to Canada with his nuts in his back pocket, oh I forgot they havent dropped yet.
macking104
macking104 0
I'm not a aviation guy, but would Bieber and posse's action be under 91.17/19 or is that only for commercial airlines? Wouldn't Canadian drug laws come into play since flight started in Canada...?
macking104
macking104 1
Was it in US or Canadian airspace? 602.05/06 of Canadian Aviation Regs says passengers have to obey captain's instructions... including stopping smoking.
siriusloon
siriusloon 1
The flight originated in Kitchener-Waterloo, which isn't far from the north shore of Lake Erie, so it wasn't in Canadian airspace for very long.